Competition credibility doesn't really matter to most buyers as they ain't goner race it are they so it the same cliche,it's worth wot someone will pay,I personally would go for a late 260 cos I like the interior more as for the samuri bit things have moved on and some people were only a blob in their old mans ball bag when the sammy came out
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Go on then I will mention it!
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SeanDezart
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For Chrissakes, sometimes I let it pass but sometimes your **** out distances your brain !
Of course a competition history counts and to say otherwise shows that you've followed NOTHING in the classic car scene as regards prices.
Johnny rich-boy - the buyer - probably won't go racing but snob AND resale value count for those boys...some of them perhaps being those snobs you mentioned.
The name Samuri has become well associated with 240Zs (yes, we'll come to 260Zs next*) - you only have to do a reserach on this forum to see that !
Value of a Samuri 240Z vs. 260Z.....?
* the recent media interest in Samuris has only ever mentioned 240Zs so JKs' car will have an uphill battle to prove itself.
If a Zs' condition is comparable to another but one is a Samuri then in the UK (only) a Samuri will probably attract a higher price.
Personally, I wouldn't pay a premium above a well sorted Z for a Samuri but I aint the market.
Like I said baldy,most people ain't bothered about race heritage and wot do the media know,they can't be bothered to do their research properly when doing a write up on a zed and I agree with wot you said about paying a premium above a well sorted Zed,I have a well sorted Zed and so do you and some other people on here,as much as I like the Zed they ain't the be all and end all of classic cars,,might sell my Zed soon,not getting used,wot do reckon I would get for it,as much as a sammy might go for,might put it to the test,got something else lined up,JK says he doesn't have to sell and I think you will agree he will regret it,I did when I sold my first zed many years ago,you was still a bus conductor then,fares please
I was certain you were talking about JohnyMD there and then I read this bit ..
Spot on Sean!! :SuperBigThumbsWithKnobsOn:
I actually see a lot of those chaps in my work circles and at Goodwood. Many don't race and love the collect and display factor. But actually many do go racing and many more put professional drivers into their (far rarer and more valuable than a z) cars.
Go to any Goodwood classic race meet - be it a Revival or members meeting and you'll see many 250GTOs, E-types, Astons, ACs etc being raced, crashed, repaired and back again next time. Drivers often range from Tiff Needel to Rowan Atkinson, to the privateer racer.
But for all those fellas with money resale value and heritage are top of list.
Would love to see a Z at such an event!!
SeanDezart
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Just a turn of phrase and I hereby state that no-one was intentionally targeted !
The flash-point has been reached, time will tell but Zs are now very welcome at ultra-classic-car events and Europe lags behind Japan and the USA.
A shame that therte isn't better TV coverage of the Copenhagen Historic for example where Zs have been battling strongly against the cream for several years.
The only reason 260Zs are not seen is the hesitation factor from owners themselves - everyone who invests wants to do so in a 240Z for resale (and snob ?) value - a shame because the S30 whether in 2 or 2+2 format will share a lot of great track sensations......and yes, I'm biased towards tracks and not rallyes in which Zs have consistently performed well.
Matey - if you don't use yours enough, start doing so but target your trips - come over here again for instance, do Spa.....but that's not an reason enough in itself - using the money realisable for something else is...and you know you'll regret it but that is something you'll have to live with.
For once you are right,I would regret it as I did the first time I sold my zed when you was a bus conductor,spa,not interested in racing like the majority of members of the Z forum,going to le-mans next year with some northern blokes that ain't members of the z forum so should be cool.spoke to grolls and the old boy is coming again in his estate Zed
SeanDezart
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Spa isn't about racing - as a spectator you wouldn't be disappointed.
I remember at the same time that the membership secretary was a bus driver....
Anyway, stop blabbing about selling your car and just do it.....or shut up and keep it.
I remember at the same time that the membership secretary was a bus driver....
Anyway, stop blabbing about selling your car and just do it.....or shut up and keep it.
SeanDezart
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Where were you then and did you ever read/keep the mags ? Colin was Press secretary and ran the Surrey group.
I'm talking about Mark Bukowski.
SeanDezart
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How would I know - I live abroad !
SeanDezart
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Moving back on subject :
A white elephant is a possession which its owner cannot dispose of and whose cost, particularly that of maintenance, is out of proportion to its usefulness.
In modern usage, it is an object, scheme, business venture, facility, etc., considered without use or value.
Is it just to so describe such a car ?
Is it 260Z valued less on the market than a 240Z ? Yes
Is a Samuri 260Z valued less than a 'similar' 240Z ? No
Is any Samuri version (w'out comp history) worth more than a well-sorted same-model Z ?
A white elephant is a possession which its owner cannot dispose of and whose cost, particularly that of maintenance, is out of proportion to its usefulness.
In modern usage, it is an object, scheme, business venture, facility, etc., considered without use or value.
Is it just to so describe such a car ?
Is it 260Z valued less on the market than a 240Z ? Yes
Is a Samuri 260Z valued less than a 'similar' 240Z ? No
Is any Samuri version (w'out comp history) worth more than a well-sorted same-model Z ?
Chappers
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Apologies to those following this thread- I did use the wrong metaphorical idiom when saying "white elephant" rather than just "elephant" in my first post. I hope most got the meaning I was trying to get across i.e. a Samuri Z was for sale and not one post announcing it after a day on eBay but usually on here in minutes no matter if good, bad, ugly, too dear, steering wheel wrong side etc etc.
With reference to the 3rd item on the last post by Sean:
I would say yes, IF, the buyer buys into the historical link to the car being a distant( play on the link as much as your Samuri love dictates) relative to the Samuri cars with racing history. When I bought CAB in '89 I liked the idea of the " bloke in a shed" engineering and that the cars went ,stopped and handled better than standard. This was based on the 4 Z's I had owned since '86. When I rang Spike to ask about CAB before I bought it his first words were " Kevin's old Sam".
But, if you did not live through the specific Samuri era I did, you may not put a premium on the value and would not if you read the Samuri musings on here.
This is just my biased opinion based on a great car from my past.
With reference to the 3rd item on the last post by Sean:
I would say yes, IF, the buyer buys into the historical link to the car being a distant( play on the link as much as your Samuri love dictates) relative to the Samuri cars with racing history. When I bought CAB in '89 I liked the idea of the " bloke in a shed" engineering and that the cars went ,stopped and handled better than standard. This was based on the 4 Z's I had owned since '86. When I rang Spike to ask about CAB before I bought it his first words were " Kevin's old Sam".
But, if you did not live through the specific Samuri era I did, you may not put a premium on the value and would not if you read the Samuri musings on here.
This is just my biased opinion based on a great car from my past.
SeanDezart
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Just dripping a bit of petrol on the fire Pete and trying with a smile to get the post back on subject - don't take it bad mate.
I don't know what it feels like when someone else owns the Z I've loved.....did you (and have others with theirs) turn the page or is there part of you running about in other peoples' hands ?
I don't know what it feels like when someone else owns the Z I've loved.....did you (and have others with theirs) turn the page or is there part of you running about in other peoples' hands ?
Nope I won't have that!! I never considered you to be a drip type person Sean! More fluffer than dripper
SeanDezart
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A fluffer is a person employed to keep a male adult film star aroused on the set.
These duties, which do not necessarily involve touching the actors, are considered part of the makeup department. After setting up the desired angle, the director asks the actors to hold position and calls for the fluffer to "fluff" the actors for the shot. Fluffing could also entail sexual acts such as fellatio or non-penetrative sex.
Thanks Ali............
These duties, which do not necessarily involve touching the actors, are considered part of the makeup department. After setting up the desired angle, the director asks the actors to hold position and calls for the fluffer to "fluff" the actors for the shot. Fluffing could also entail sexual acts such as fellatio or non-penetrative sex.
Thanks Ali............