Alphabettispaghetti
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I’ll run an air box with the tray, this tray looks amazingly similar to the sports option one Alan posted
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I’ll run an air box with the tray, this tray looks amazingly similar to the sports option one Alan posted
SeanDezart
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Thanks Alan but I have the same images, well aware of them before discussing here.
These were race accessories so no hanging around at traffic lights and without a doubt, if used on the public road, then with the standard fan which is very efficient at lwoer speeds to circulate the air and avoid a build-up of huge ambient heat.
That heat plate was developped for a specific application - the 'one part fits all uses' rarely exists - and it surely worked and if someone wants to be period-correct (a bit obsessive about that), it IS the part to fit......but 50yrs later there have been some evolutions in materials, experiences and also rules especially safety.
Finally, +99% of people here will use their Z 95% of the time on the road (and never at sustained high speeds) where high ambient under-bonnet temperatures at low speeds are more likely, a lot remove their standard fan for thermostatically-controlled electric ones and imho, a lagrer-surface area heat-shield will be more effective for most applications. If all it took was a stip of tin-plate, why do people fit wedding and pay for ceramic treatments ? Are those a waste of money ?
This all started because I stated that a specific heat-plate looked more like an anti-drip tray which isn't a bad idea in itself !
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SeanDezart
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I don't accept that merely because a part is made in Japan, it is the best and only part for a Japanese car. Ie, I don't choose and buy on blind-faith but on personal wants and needs, price (don't get excited here*, I recently bought some new reproduction headlamp covers from Romas because I can afford tham and not the real thing because I can't !). Hm, price - the cheapest isn't always the worse, the most expensive not always the best....basically speaking people should buy what is best for their end-use and also pocket.
Example, the Harada is less expensive than the Mangoletsi and both will work well, look good....and the Mangoletsi is also available in an excellent-designed twin-cable set-up.
To me, it's like buying £150 Nikes to go walking around the mall....I respect everyones' choice but I don't buy the most expensive : I do buy what'll get the job done right. There has developed a certain Japanese-parts snobbery and I'm against that which can only marginalise certain owners.
Example, the Harada is less expensive than the Mangoletsi and both will work well, look good....and the Mangoletsi is also available in an excellent-designed twin-cable set-up.
To me, it's like buying £150 Nikes to go walking around the mall....I respect everyones' choice but I don't buy the most expensive : I do buy what'll get the job done right. There has developed a certain Japanese-parts snobbery and I'm against that which can only marginalise certain owners.
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Albrecht
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I've used the very same part on three different cars, two of them everyday drivers in central London traffic. They are actually very effective at keeping direct rising hot air away from the carburettor bodies. And if you use the correct (phenolic) heat-damping spacers on the carbs it cuts a lot of heat that would otherwise travel from the manifolds to the carb bodies by metal-to-metal contact. The main battle is against heat soak at very low speed, idling and hot shut down.
Albrecht
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You seem to have gone way past that point lately, writing off and/or throwing shade on pretty much anything made in Japan. It's becoming slightly bizarre. A kind of inverse snobbery...
SeanDezart said:
For a Japanese car?
I think it stands to reason that OEM and sports-oriented parts manufactured and/or approved by the original manufacturer will be - by their very nature - 'Good Stuff'. In Nissan's case, the facilities available to the manufacturer - often with the benefit of data only the manufacturer can be privy to - as well as the high standards expected of them in the Japanese market, pretty much ensured that their parts were of a high standard.
Very importantly, and this is something that many people seem to go out of their way to overlook, Nissan took pains to put together parts that would work well as a package. They published (in Japanese, in Japan...) advice on how to put these parts together for best use, and complementary modifications/techniques which came directly from the factory's own race and rally related activities. The Japanese aftermarket filled in the gaps and carried on much of the development, and I would stand by the assertion that Japan is still the most comprehensive source of parts for these cars.
There's no reason for anybody to be 'marginalised'.
johnymd
Club Member
I refitted the factory engine fan on my ratty car with fuel injection and fitted it to the new project with fuel injection as it circulates a lot of air all the time. I may lose a few HP but I like the continuous air being blown onto the manifold and the continuous air changes in the engine bay. Admittedly it is blowing warm air which is not good for the open trumpets I run but it is certainly a lot cooler than the heat from the manifold. I will look at getting cold air to the trumpet area or ever give in and make an airbox.
Go on. You could even give in and buy one!
uk66fastback
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He could! but in the interests of 'continued development' I like John's approach - I have posted him an empty cereal box for incorporation ...