STEVE BURNS
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Fame at last!!!!! Classic & Sports Car magazine.
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What was the article about? As far as I can see it was about how stunning the Z cars are to look at, how well they drive, how fast they go and how they trounced the British sports cars of the era in most, if not all, respects.
And for a general classic car magazine (as opposed to a specialist publication/book specifically about the Z car range where you would expect every detail to be absolutely accurate) that was good enough for me.
And for a general classic car magazine (as opposed to a specialist publication/book specifically about the Z car range where you would expect every detail to be absolutely accurate) that was good enough for me.
Albrecht
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I didn't think it did any of that very well at all.
It certainly didn't discuss the body shape and styling (it would have been interesting to devote at least a paragraph to some of that, especially why they looked how they did), the driving experience mixes up specs between different market models (so can't be accurate), "how fast they go" is a set of numbers (so available to all of us anyway) but again the article mixes up data for different market variants.
The theme (and the title of the article) makes much of "beating" British cars. The title mentions Austin-Healey, when only the Sprite was on sale at the same time as the S30-series Z and was already at the end of its development and production life. It also mentions Jaguar. What Jaguar did the S30-series Z "trounce"?
This "the Z killed the British sports car" idea is something that I've seen many times in pieces originating from the USA. It's not the whole story, is it? The British sports car industry pretty much killed itself by not keeping up with the times and by not investing in new technology or relevant new models. The British companies let new safety and emissions legislation sneak up on them and many other (including economic factors at home) led to their extinction. The Z didn't kill them off, it simply took over their abandoned nests...
So no, I don't think the article did what you said.
johnymd
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IMO magazine articles about feature cars should be about the cars that are pictured and not about the history of the type of cars. I usually skip through all the other stuff and just read about the cars featured. Maybe that's why I don't have a clue about who designed the z or how it evolved. I just like the shape and don't care or want to know anything about its history and I'm probable the same as the majority of readers so does it matter that all the extra padding in these articles is wrong?
SeanDezart
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What tires me out is that each article wastes 50% of available space giving us the history (false or not)....does every Porker article write about their WWII activities or the beginnings of Swallow Sidecars or British Leyland before MGs ?
It effs me off.
What tires me out is that each article wastes 50% of available space giving us the history (false or not)....does every Porker article write about their WWII activities or the beginnings of Swallow Sidecars or British Leyland before MGs ?
It effs me off.
Agree entirely. They should focus more on how the car drives and how it compares to its contempories.
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I understand exactly where you are coming from Albrecht. I am a Beatles fanatic and have an almost encyclopaedic knowledge of the band. When I read something about them that is factually incorrect it really irritates me and I feel like immediately firing off an email to the author setting them straight. So I can understand how you feel when you read articles about the Zs. But for someone like me (and probably most readers of that mag) the overall feeling you get on reading the article is that the Z is a beautiful and desirable sports car. And that is a good thing. Which is why I say we mustn't let the factual inaccuracies spoil the overall feel-good factor of the piece.
STEVE BURNS
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With near enough everbody now begining to believe this article is crammed with errors and incorrect information I would like to ask for a bit of clarification on these thoughts and wonder if people could list these errors.
What I would like to see is a list of errors ACTUALLY PRINTED in the article that the thread is about and not about what was not included in the article.
To start the ball rolling
1:Incorrect spelling of a name
What I would like to see is a list of errors ACTUALLY PRINTED in the article that the thread is about and not about what was not included in the article.
To start the ball rolling
1:Incorrect spelling of a name
SeanDezart
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A useful exercise would be for a layman reader....such as yourself to list whet YOU believe to be errors and then someone more knowledgeable to correct and add to that that list.
Then we might know just how wide (or not) of the mark it was and determine whether those errors detract from the overall impression of the cars as stated below :
STEVE BURNS
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Oh dear
No doubt your school teacher lambasted you to much at school and you lost interest in spelling (big tongue in cheek)
:lol:
SeanDezart
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Just 'whatting' your appetite Blobby !
And its TOO much.
And its TOO much.
toopy
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What annoys me is the 260z 2+2 is seen as just a variation of a 260z 2 seater
So on that basis a 260z is just a variation of a 240z then! even more so, as they are on the outside, near identical,
where as a 2+2 is noticeably different.
Really hacks me off that the 2+2 is the poor cousin, when its a perfectly good car in its own right and sold far better than the 2 seater in some territories.
But then i am a little biased
but even after all these years, it might as well be a F**king MGB!!
So on that basis a 260z is just a variation of a 240z then! even more so, as they are on the outside, near identical,
where as a 2+2 is noticeably different.
Really hacks me off that the 2+2 is the poor cousin, when its a perfectly good car in its own right and sold far better than the 2 seater in some territories.
But then i am a little biased
but even after all these years, it might as well be a F**king MGB!!
STEVE BURNS
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So you hate to see people not using two os in the word too
SeanDezart
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Yep, just like people,writing 'I'd like some advise' instead of 'advice'.
A result of people no longer WRITING (or typing on a keyboard) and either tapping out the word phonetically or relying on some auto-correct programme and not verifying afterwards.
Life is too short to bother I suppose.....
A result of people no longer WRITING (or typing on a keyboard) and either tapping out the word phonetically or relying on some auto-correct programme and not verifying afterwards.
Life is too short to bother I suppose.....
SeanDezart
Well-Known Forum User
What annoys me is the 260z 2+2 is seen as just a variation of a 260z 2 seater
So on that basis a 260z is just a variation of a 240z then! even more so, as they are on the outside, near identical,
where as a 2+2 is noticeably different.
Really hacks me off that the 2+2 is the poor cousin, when its a perfectly good car in its own right and sold far better than the 2 seater in some territories.
But then i am a little biased
But don't you undertand ? For a journalist and therefore they try to educate us to THIER way of thinking ( apply that to any motoring journalist and especially those on the telly, hrmmm Top Gear) :
On the first day was there the Roadster, upon the second day, the Lord K made the 240Z, after which he created the 260Z and thereupon the 2+2....of course, in the land ajoing Adam and Eves' he made the 280Z which is not to be confused with the 280ZX that Ad and Eve discovered when their 2+2 rusted away and needed replacing....and on the 7th day was rest and therefore the introduction of 4spd automatic gearboxes 'cos we was knackered !
Not an ***** MGB but more the equivalent of the 2+2 911 ?
STEVE BURNS
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Certainly is when waiting for people to post up those famed errors as requested
SeanDezart
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Like I said - make your list and see how it compares to those who comport to know better - you may be pleasantly surprised; go, on - we won't mock you or laugh.............
much !
much !
STEVE BURNS
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But I am not one of the people who are stating that the actual printed article is riddled with errors am I.
What I am saying is compared to other articles it is far more informative on certain things than a hell of a lot of previous articles
SeanDezart
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How are you to judge it is better if you can't compare errors ?Back during my first Zs ownership, I belived that Goertz designed it and it had been so made specifically for the US market because that is what I had read in books and mag articles.
If you're only ever told that the world is flat - how you can you even know to argue that it is different ?
If we don't question some things, we'll not know to go looking for the answers.
One of the Counts' issues here are that too many people don't give a cuss for the correct answers......and if 'we' don't, who will ?
Perhaps the answer is that not enough people care, we should enjoy the photos, applaud those who participated (I do) and wait for the buying public to begin choosing Zs in ignorance of the cars' history.
Let's move on.
It's. Don't want to get drawn into this, but if you are going to correct someone's spelling/grammar, you can't include an error in your correction!