Fairlady 2/2 at Auction today

[Albrecht]

I don't know - does the factory twin pipe share the same ED as the Fujitsubo ?

The simple answer to that is 'no', but what's Fujitsubo got to do with it?

Factory twin-pipe system will warm up the RH side of the passenger footwell on RHD cars and the RH side of the driver's footwell on LHD cars. Stock factory single-pipe less so, but still a factor. It's just the nature of the drivetrain.

 

[Albrecht]

Call it what you like Alan...

You seemed to be talking about "re-shelling", which I class as identity-switching. I'm saying that is rare in Japan.

...and I've no doubt of your years of experience and probable assistence and therefore first-hand knowledge but effectively the cars, parts - call them what you will were sourced in cheap USA and used to save original JDM cars just as such sourced cars/parts have saved original UK cars.

I make - for good reason - a big distinction between the use of recycled panels/sections of cars being used to restore original Japanese market cars (no identity switch, and Part Number One still occupying the same piece of universal space and time as it did when it was born...) and the 'simple' re-assignment of identity from one car to another (EG the remains of a Japanese market car being hung on a North American market car). These are two quite different things.

 

[SeanDezart]

The simple answer to that is 'no', but what's Fujitsubo got to do with it?

How many other L-gata twin-pipe exhaust lines do you know of ? I was curious to know what each pipe dimension is for the bigger it is the more complicated to pass there and theoretically closer to the LH footwell.

Stock factory single-pipe less so, but still a factor. It's just the nature of the drivetrain.

Indeed but also the transmission tunnel, for ex 280Zs (even 2x seaters) are wider.

 

[SeanDezart]

You seemed to be talking about "re-shelling", which I class as identity-switching. I'm saying that is rare in Japan.

I make - for good reason - a big distinction between the use of recycled panels/sections of cars being used to restore original Japanese market cars (no identity switch, and Part Number One still occupying the same piece of universal space and time as it did when it was born...) and the 'simple' re-assignment of identity from one car to another (EG the remains of a Japanese market car being hung on a North American market car). These are two quite different things.

I hear you - rare but happens. Are you suggesting the the reverse is true in the UK or the same ?

I completely accept your distinction but can't help thinking of this sketch :

be cool like a Fonzie Alan, just jesting.

 

[Albrecht]

How many other L-gata twin-pipe exhaust lines do you know of ?

There have been many over the years. For Japanese aftermarket brands I can think of Trust, RS Watanabe, Kakimoto, Spirit Garage, City Auto, RS Start, OK Racing, Rubber Soul, SS Kubo, Scuderia Nissan and Ito Racing off the top of my head.

The system on the car in question looks - to me, although I might be wrong - very much like one of Spirit Garage's systems with a mild steel front section and stainless muffler. Doesn't appear to have been any floor bashing or cutting involved, so not sure what your photos illustrate apart from a quart being put into a pint pot?

I hear you - rare but happens. Are you suggesting the the reverse is true in the UK or the same ?

In the UK it is perfectly acceptable - not to mention totally legal - to reconfigure an S30-series Z from LHD to RHD, as long as you use the original LHD factory chassis number and associated paperwork as the identity of the car.

In Japan the above is not such a simple proposition - philosophically or legally - and as a consequence it is much, much rarer.

 

[SeanDezart]

The system on the car in question looks - to me, although I might be wrong - very much like one of Spirit Garage's systems with a mild steel front section and stainless muffler. Doesn't appear to have been any floor bashing or cutting involved, so not sure what your photos illustrate apart from a quart being put into a pint pot?

Just highligthing for the whole audience just how tight it is down there - the photos weren't directed solely at you.

There have been many over the years. For Japanese aftermarket brands I can think of Trust, RS Watanabe, Kakimoto, Spirit Garage, City Auto, RS Start, OK Racing, Rubber Soul, SS Kubo, Scuderia Nissan and Ito Racing off the top of my head.
In the UK it is perfectly acceptable - not to mention totally legal - to reconfigure an S30-series Z from LHD to RHD, as long as you use the original LHD factory chassis number and associated paperwork as the identity of the car.

In Japan the above is not such a simple proposition - philosophically or legally - and as a consequence it is much, much rarer.

Thanks, so, to go back to Jons' original question, is it as rare for buyers to seek complete and running RHD cars from export countries (ie not for parts buy importation as a whole car to be registed in Japan) ?

 

[Albrecht]

Thanks, so, to go back to Jons' original question, is it as rare for buyers to seek complete and running RHD cars from export countries (ie not for parts buy importation as a whole car to be registed in Japan) ?

Answered in post #34 of this thread:

A few cars have been imported from Australia, NZ and UK over the years but it has never been a major thing. Possibly because there has always been a supply of good original Japanese market cars.

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

I don't know - does the factory twin pipe share the same ED as the Fujitsubo ?

Yes....and no, gets tricky down there and tight with the accelerator pedal sometimes...

thats just a poorly laid out/designed/executed exhaust there. Looking at the welding looks like a cheap American one?

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

Thanks for the info Alan , People always tend to crave parts from other markets that they didn't get,

Proper fully specced portuguese car would be at the tip top of my list.

 

[SeanDezart]

A few cars have been imported from Australia, NZ and UK over the years but it has never been a major thing.

Possibly because there has always been a supply of good original Japanese market cars.

You do see a fair few re-imported north American market cars over there but - generally speaking - they tend to be less sought-after than the Japanese market models and a lot of them end up as organ donors for restoration of domestic models.

Hard to understand here ; on the one hand there is a supply of good JDM Zs and on the other, a fair few re-imported USA cars of which a lot have been cut up for donor parts. The good JDMZs are restored to perfection or it’s the poor JDMs brought back up to standard ?

Seeing that (all over the world) the major cost are the hours of restoration – adding to that the cost of importing a car with customs duties, the overall cost using such donor parts must be horrendous !

 

[SeanDezart]

Proper fully specced portuguese car would be at the tip top of my list.

But left LHD ?

 

[SeanDezart]

thats just a poorly laid out/designed/executed exhaust there. Looking at the welding looks like a cheap American one?

No - modified at home.

 

[Rob Gaskin]

Guys, this is a Fairlady thread not a re-shell/exhaust Thread.

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

Guys, this is a Fairlady thread not a re-shell/exhaust Thread.

maybe the mods can move/lock it

 

[Albrecht]

Hard to understand here ; on the one hand there is a supply of good JDM Zs and on the other, a fair few re-imported USA cars of which a lot have been cut up for donor parts. The good JDMZs are restored to perfection or it’s the poor JDMs brought back up to standard ?

I don't see what's so difficult to understand? There are probably something like ten times more S30-series Zs left extant in Japan than there are in the UK, and with Japan's far stricter inspections and less salt on the roads (not to mention no salty-aired five or six week boat journeys early in their life) they are, on average, in better structural condition than UK market cars.

So, a fairly healthy supply of useable condition Japanese market cars, as well as a supply of original Japanese market restoration projects, added to a supply of cheaper LHD re-imports (West coast USA to Japan an easy and frequent shipping route) just adds up to not much of a niche for UK market cars to be re-imported to Japan, especially considering the structural condition of the cheaper end of the market. What's not to get?

Contrast this with the comparatively large vacuum of C110-series Skylines in Japan, which has been sucking them up from Aus and NZ for a long time now.

 

[Rob Gaskin]

maybe the mods can move/lock it

I am a mod just wanted to bring it back on track that's all, mainly because it's easier to search if stuff is under the correct Thread title.

 

[SeanDezart]

Flipped ! £22750

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1975-Dat...996444?hash=item3426aa54dc:g:72oAAOSw-Rleob1A

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

I am a mod just wanted to bring it back on track that's all, mainly because it's easier to search if stuff is under the correct Thread title.

I’ve always been more of a rocker

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

Flipped ! £22750

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1975-Dat...996444?hash=item3426aa54dc:g:72oAAOSw-Rleob1A

brave move.



or foolish showing little grasp of the market

 

[SeanDezart]

I’ve always been more of a rocker

You can't argue with My Generation !

Maybe they're reaching out to a larger audience/market ! Sold for £16, they might make £3k profit - not bad.