Datsun 240z sale London UK . £26,000

[mattbibbey]

Because if you start the value train from the bottom, the top cars lose out. Where would you rather start the scale, from a tatty, running, MoTd 240Z that is advertised at £4500 or from a really amazing 240Z that sold at £40,000?

It probably makes the difference of a good, solid car selling for > £20k or £30k+

Other marques don't suffer this as much I don't think. I remember a friend who was really into old Beetles. Back then, the general rule was that any Beetle on black plates, with an MoT, regardless of general condition, was £2000.

Ultimately, the value of 240Zs is in OUR hands. There are enough of us who know one another to agree the value. What does a classic car mag know about the value of a 240Z? It knows what WE sell them for.

I think the 240Z is one of the best classic cars out there, especially in terms of bang for buck and it's a bit of a rarity. I just think it's about time that was reflected in the known values.

What do you think?

 

[SeanDezart]

I think I will refer you to our clubs' price guide continually kept up to date with references to adverts but also contacting sellers and buyers (when they come on our site as invariably they do) :

http://www.datsun-france.com/forum/...s-généraux/1378-côtes-des-roadsters-zs-et-zxs

The list also has some good advice upon values and buying.

So, soley for the 240Z :

240Z

Epave (sans CG) - €3000
Epave - €5500
Project longue - €9500
Project court - €13000
BEG* - €20000
TBE* - €26000
quasiment parfaite* - €30000
Version de compétition (sans papiers FIA) - €37000+ selon spécification
Version de compétition (avec papiers FIA) - €50000+ selon spécification

Epave - Des pièces à récupérer !
Epave avec CG - Un CG plus pièces à sauvé mais pourra être restaurer !
Project long - En mauvaise état mais pourra être restaurer !
Project court - En moyen état mais qui peut être déjà rouler !
BEG* - Besoin peut être une peinture, regarnissage, révision mécanique !
TBE* - Besoin quelques petites bricoles à finir !
quasiment parfaite* - Rien à dire !

* = au moins avec CT et en état de marche !
Kilométrage pas important - état de la carrosserie oui !

Obviously some of you will say 'what about the differences in year builds, what about auto boxes, what about mods....well, it's just a guide - there can be many too many variables and specifics to list !

I'm surprised that the club here doesn't have the same based upon continued experience.....!

 

[SeanDezart]

Because if you start the value train from the bottom, the top cars lose out. Where would you rather start the scale, from a tatty, running, MoTd 240Z that is advertised at £4500 or from a really amazing 240Z that sold at £40,000?

It probably makes the difference of a good, solid car selling for > £20k or £30k+

Ultimately, the value of 240Zs is in OUR hands. There are enough of us who know one another to agree the value. What does a classic car mag know about the value of a 240Z? It knows what WE sell them for.

The lower values will be determined by the higher - if a restored Z is worth £15k, a poor project car isn't going to sell for £10k whereas if the top price is £40k, £4K for the wreck is obtainable.
I would therefore prefer to see realistic values of GOOD 240Zs at the £40k mark which makes it worthwhile to restore them to the level at which they impress the press and public - tatty runners selling at £15k help no-one.

 

[MikeB]

The top end always brings the value of the rest of the stock up with it (eventually). However, there are then the very bottom, cars that need extensive metalwork and expensive parts, that get to the point where they are beyond economic repair until the restoration costs can be covered by the expected (realistic) selling price.

Zs are on the up, but the market hasn't quite got full confidence in them, it's nearly there, but they are still seen as a bit different and hence for some scary. There are some out there who want a special Z and are prepared to pay for it, but the less focused buyer is still dithering. But I think that will change....soon

 

[SeanDezart]

Zs are on the up, but the market hasn't quite got full confidence in them, it's nearly there, but they are still seen as a bit different and hence for some scary.

There are some out there who want a special Z and are prepared to pay for it, but the less focused buyer is still dithering. But I think that will change....soon

I believe that a lot of non-club potentiel buyers don't know what they want or should have :

S30 2 seater yes.....after that, they're a bit lost and the invasion of images via internet doesn't help their multiple choice question.

 

[datsfun]

I think I will refer you to our clubs' price guide continually kept up to date with references to adverts but also contacting sellers and buyers (when they come on our site as invariably they do) :



The list also has some good advice upon values and buying.

So, soley for the 240Z :


quasiment parfaite* - €30000...!

An almost perfect LHD 240z is valued by your club at around the €30k mark i.e 21.5k of our finest pounds

So the RHD cars that have come to the market recently in GBP 30-40k range must be whacking a £10k + premium for having the steering on the right side?:

 

[SeanDezart]

Don't forget that the euro has taken a knock recently but admittedly, UK prices (country known as a connoisseur of cars unlike the French govt) have always been higher than here and appreciation of the Z your side where the Japanese car scene is more developed is natural - you've been racing them for yonks too so more exposure in the classic car world.

That said, one RHD car reached £25k and the one of this thread is £26k....so we're not far behind.

 

[datsfun]

That said, one RHD car reached £25k and the one of this thread is £26k....so we're not far behind.

If the € ends up free falling further, you will be behind. ALOT:lol:

Todate has a a road going s30 sold for> £30k in UK? Anyone...

I know those with competition pedigree or rally cars have sold for upwards of £30k

 

[SeanDezart]

If the € ends up free falling further, you will be behind. ALOT:lol:

Then you can come over and buy up all of our barn-finds can't you like you do with second and holiday homes.

 

[SeanDezart]

An almost perfect LHD 240z is valued by your club at around the €30k mark i.e 21.5k of our finest pounds

So the RHD cars that have come to the market recently in GBP 30-40k range must be whacking a £10k + premium for having the steering on the right side?:

This one is £23k now : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/datsun-240z-/221838936223?hash=item33a6a1889f

 

[Pete]

I would therefore prefer to see realistic values of GOOD 240Zs at the £40k mark which makes it worthwhile to restore them to the level at which they impress the press and public - tatty runners selling at £15k help no-one.

I must apologise for running around in my tatty £15k runner and bringing down the tone of the place. Maybe I should just hide it away in a garage forever.

 

[Rob Gaskin]

I must apologise for running around in my tatty £15k runner and bringing down the tone of the place. Maybe I should just hide it away in a garage forever.

Good Point!

A £15k S30 is a great car!

 

[SeanDezart]

I must apologise for running around in my tatty £15k runner and bringing down the tone of the place. Maybe I should just hide it away in a garage forever.

Who says it's worth £15k today ?

And besides, I meant those on sale for £15k which are far from presentable (£8k masquerading as.....).

Rob - if a £15k Z is a great car, more than double that and choose an adjective please.

 

[Rob Gaskin]

Who says it's worth £15k today ?

And besides, I meant those on sale for £15k which are far from presentable (£8k masquerading as.....).

Rob - if a £15k Z is a great car, more than double that and choose an adjective please.

Concourse or special i.e. competition or original etc..

 

[SeanDezart]

What does it matter ? Avoid the 'class system'.........une belle c'est une belle - point !

 

[Pete]

Who says it's worth £15k today ?

Not quite sure what you mean by that (good or bad) if you are specifically talking about my car. I was trying to make a point generally about 'tatty runners'. However as much as I love my car(took me 35 years to get to position where I felt comfortable about owning one) if you want to buy it for £20k , hence lifting the price point of all the S30's and getting a tatty runner off the road feel free.Then spend a few Euro on it and resell for +£40k (you might lose money short term), but hey your doing the whole Z community a favour by raising prices and standards.

 

[SeanDezart]

Ah, sarcasm....!

Keep your Z, drive it, enjoy it and don't worry about the resale value after waiting 35years....stamina and persistaence should pay up after all !

Besides, there are plenty here and RHD no longer suits me in these soutern climes.

 

[Pete]

Ah, sarcasm....!

Keep your Z, drive it, enjoy it and don't worry about the resale value after waiting 35years....stamina and persistaence should pay up after all !

Cheers,Ill take your advice.Nice to see the English language can still be understood without having to explain it using emoticons (or whatever they're called). No idea what a grey face with sunglasses means.

 

[SeanDezart]

Cool or in this case - zen.

 

[mattbibbey]

Concourse for £30k....? I would put that into the tragic undervaluation bracket.