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Eric Gilligan

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Hi All. Not sure where to put this. I recently picked up an S31 Fairlady RHD from Germany. I am in Ireland. The car came with no log book. Trying to register it here now and to do so I need a Cert of conformity.
So the car is a 2.0l as I am sure you know and matching numbers etc. My question is.. where do I get the certificate from? Nissan directly or do I click on one of those sites that offer them like this one:

https://www.certicoc.com/en/certificate/certificate-of-conformity-coc-passenger-vehicle-nissan/

or this: https://coceurope.eu/product/certificate-of-conformity-coc-nissan/
Wildly different prices :O :p

I thought that a letter from the vintage club would suffice but.. seems now they want this also.
Anyone done this already? Any info? Cheers. Eric
 
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Rob Gaskin

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Eric Gilligan said:
Thanks Alik. I am in Ireland so it might help but I am also trying to get one from my local vintage club. But sure I guess it cant do any harm :) I will fill out the forms later! and thanks a million
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I'm trying to understand this.

So you require this certificate because you are in the EU?

I'm thinking therefore that it needs to come from Nissan/Datsun.

How a local Club can help is hard to understand.

I don't think we needed these when we were in the EU.

Perhaps the complication is because it is a car that was built for another market i.e. Japan? However lots of cars over here were originally for the US market.
 
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Eric Gilligan

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Rob Gaskin said:
I'm trying to understand this.

So you require this certificate because you are in the EU?
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The car came without a log / tax book. In Ireland I read online ( revenue site and other places ) that you can get a letter from the local vintage club that states what the car is, engine etc and that letter will do instead of the log / tax book.

I am asking about the COC as the revenue has asked me to forward it to them ( since I met a person in the VRT office and she specifically said that I needed the log book ) I am sure that she didn't know where the car was built.. along with other things like being able to provide the letter to cover the missing documents. See screenshot below of that info from the revenue site. Anyway my query was if anyone got one before and where they got it from. Re the local club thing.. no idea :D I didn't make these rules up ... but also doesnt make much sense cause the car could have been stolen .. how would the local club know.

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Rob Gaskin

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Ok but COC details relate to it's production not history e.g. stolen.

A COC document is a producer's declaration that the vehicle complies with the given approved type. ... This document contains information about the vehicle and its producer's identification, type approval number, technical specifications and other data.

Good luck, it seems a nightmare.

By the way in the motoring world a Vintage Car is one built between 1919 1nd 1930. Over here our cars are classed as Historic.
 
Farmer42

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I would doubt that your local vintage car club would have anywhere near the expertise on Zeds that the guys on this site would have. The letter you would get from Ali would confirm what the car is and when it was built. You can get a letter from Nissan Japan that will confirm that it was built in Japan if you provide the Vin number. That is what I did when I got mine registered with the DVLA. Ireland may be slightly different but I wouldn't think much. If the revenue are involved it may be about whether appropriate taxes were paid on purchase. Did you get any docs that shows when and how it was imported to Germany from Japan? Maybe that's what they need.
 
datsfun

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Suspect there are 2 different streams here.

Your Revenue authority needs to satisfy itself that no import VAT/ duties are due - moving it from Germany to Ireland is Intra EU transfer and hence probably Revenue needs some evidence that import taxes were paid when the car first came into EU ( Germany). Absent any evidence they will seek to levy taxes upon entry into Ireland

Secondly to get it registered the authorities will need to satisfy that you are the legal owner. Ordinarily this is demonstrated when you give them registration documents as proof. Otherwise as you say what's stopping someone from registering a stolen car ??

If the club letter can work, then this is the avenue I would use. That's assuming Ali has access to records of JDM records as this would be a local Japan supply car...

I cant see how your local club or Nissan ( UK/ Japan) will be able to support. Happy to be told otherwise :)

EDIT- just read Farmer's reply above and maybe Nissan Japan can assist !
 
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Eric Gilligan

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Rob Gaskin said:
Ok but COC details relate to it's production not history e.g. stolen.

A COC document is a producer's declaration that the vehicle complies with the given approved type. ... This document contains information about the vehicle and its producer's identification, type approval number, technical specifications and other data.

Good luck, it seems a nightmare. Over here our cars are classed as Historic.
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Hahah well..nothing is easy. Might have to move it temporarily to the UK to make my life easier. Yeah I just say vintage but we call them classics I think. Anyway... I'm thinking that the letter from the local club is gonna state the same as the COC will ... or near enough
 
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Eric Gilligan

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Farmer42 said:
I would doubt that your local vintage car club would have anywhere near the expertise on Zeds that the guys on this site would have. The letter you would get from Ali would confirm what the car is and when it was built. You can get a letter from Nissan Japan that will confirm that it was built in Japan if you provide the Vin number. That is what I did when I got mine registered with the DVLA. Ireland may be slightly different but I wouldn't think much. If the revenue are involved it may be about whether appropriate taxes were paid on purchase. Did you get any docs that shows when and how it was imported to Germany from Japan? Maybe that's what they need.
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True that they wouldn't or maybe they would know specifically what the model is but... if I tell them .. they will write a letter. Which overcomes that issue :D And where did you get that letter from or from whom? I think I will just ask them to do me one :)

See.. if I had a tax book.. no issues ( although the guy has a letter - in German - from the local authority stating the car details. Which are down as a 240z and chassis number. I also have the invoice from the guy, shipping invoice and another letter from some German official place that says that there is no outstanding fees.

Why the lady at the VRT didnt take those.. beyond me. But, there was a case of a few people ( even the guy who trucked the car to the VRT centre ) saying.. she wasnt the nicest :D I wasnt there so who knows
 
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Eric Gilligan

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datsfun said:
Suspect there are 2 different streams here.

Your Revenue authority needs to satisfy itself that no import VAT/ duties are due - moving it from Germany to Ireland is Intra EU transfer and hence probably Revenue needs some evidence that import taxes were paid when the car first came into EU ( Germany). Absent any evidence they will seek to levy taxes upon entry into Ireland

Secondly to get it registered the authorities will need to satisfy that you are the legal owner. Ordinarily this is demonstrated when you give them registration documents as proof. Otherwise as you say what's stopping someone from registering a stolen car ??

If the club letter can work, then this is the avenue I would use. That's assuming Ali has access to records of JDM records as this would be a local Japan supply car...

I cant see how your local club or Nissan ( UK/ Japan) will be able to support. Happy to be told otherwise :)

EDIT- just read Farmer's reply above and maybe Nissan Japan can assist !
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Yes I think Nissan Japan will probably help. Regarding the letter from the local vintage club, well.. Its what they ask for when its missing documents. I am guessing you are right. But I went through revenue as a backup as I guessed there would be some issues registering it and wanted to clarify for myself. I think that the person in the VRT was wrong in this case. But it would be amazing if revenue were hunting for money.. oh no.. wait ahhaah
 
Albrecht

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Eric Gilligan said:
Yes I think Nissan Japan will probably help.
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They used to be very helpful, but recently I've found that they are refusing to supply any official recognition for Japanese market cars that have been privately exported.

I heard on the grapevine that this was partly due to a flood of 'dodgy' requests from the USA where people were trying to get documentation to show that certain cars were older than they really were (linked to their 25+ year legalisation thing).
 
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Eric Gilligan

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Albrecht said:
They used to be very helpful, but recently I've found that they are refusing to supply any official recognition for Japanese market cars that have been privately exported.

I heard on the grapevine that this was partly due to a flood of 'dodgy' requests from the USA where people were trying to get documentation to show that certain cars were older than they really were (linked to their 25+ year legalisation thing).
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Urgh!!! Well... no harm in trying...if I knew what or where to send the request to in Japan :)
 
8658kv

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Eric Gilligan said:
Urgh!!! Well... no harm in trying...if I knew what or where to send the request to in Japan :)
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Here’s the email addy.

postoffice@nissan.co.jp

Think you find as already stated, they will not help.
Changed their policy in 2015, the only information they would give, if the car had originally been registered in the same Country not imported.

They changed this again last year, will not give any information now.

Worth a try, good luck.
 
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Eric Gilligan

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8658kv said:
Here’s the email addy.

postoffice@nissan.co.jp

Think you find as already stated, they will not help.
Changed their policy in 2015, the only information they would give, if the car had originally been registered in the same Country not imported.

They changed this again last year, will not give any information now.

Worth a try, good luck.
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Perfect!! Thanks a million
 
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