datsun dave
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So who was the closest on the estimate ? 
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'Big Sam' - Octane magazine test
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SeanDezart
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It was a master-stroke to get the Octane article written, not only did it enlighten people on what a 240Z can do but hopefully raised the profile of the Marque too
And it hasn't finished yet, this result and owner's plans will be all over the Classic Car world.
I keep telling you all - a new era !
So who was the closest on the estimate ?
Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the cleverest bunny of them all ?
Nick, are you down my way - if so, give me a call for a drink.
zedhead260
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We didn't hang around for the auction (they wanted £25 for the pleasure). Shame really as it would have been quite exciting.
Got in to take a few pic's though, which was nice because I have never seen it before.
It's battered and bruised, but that all adds to the charm.
Got in to take a few pic's though, which was nice because I have never seen it before.
It's battered and bruised, but that all adds to the charm.
zedhead260
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rallymanDP
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So that's how they got the Engine moved back a few inches ! Typical 70's Engineering - I am surprised that it held together with 240bhp applied through slick tyres.
And thanks for the info, Rob - seems strangely appropriate that Nick should find out the news through the Club's Website.
Just one thing, though, was that the 'Hammer' price it sold for, or was it that figure PLUS the Buyers Premium of 15% that the Auctioneer's add on ? If so, that would make it around £90k ( with the VAT element ), that it cost the new Owner.
Either way, it was a very good result for the 'Z's public image.
And thanks for the info, Rob - seems strangely appropriate that Nick should find out the news through the Club's Website.
Just one thing, though, was that the 'Hammer' price it sold for, or was it that figure PLUS the Buyers Premium of 15% that the Auctioneer's add on ? If so, that would make it around £90k ( with the VAT element ), that it cost the new Owner.
Either way, it was a very good result for the 'Z's public image.
That's inclusive of Buyers Premium Duncan.
So who was the closest on the estimate ?
You should work for Bonhams Dave, very close estimate of yours (£75k).
SeanDezart
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STEVE BURNS
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the silver 240 in the background went for £13250 so not far short of £100ks worth of zs in one picture
Albrecht
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I was at the auction. Hammer price on Lot No.119 ( Big Sam ) was £70,000.00 and this Lot was not subject to VAT.
Bonhams auction terms: "Buyers are reminded that a 15% Buyers Premium is payable on the first £30,000 of the final Hammer Price of each Lot, and 10% on any amount by which the Hammer Price exceeds £30,000. Buyers' attention is drawn to Condition 7 of the Notice to Bidders. VAT at the standard rate is payable on the Premium by all buyers".
So the buyer will be paying just short of £80,000.00 by my reckoning.
Winning bid was made on the telephone, not in-person at the auction. Don't know who bought it.
Bonhams auction terms: "Buyers are reminded that a 15% Buyers Premium is payable on the first £30,000 of the final Hammer Price of each Lot, and 10% on any amount by which the Hammer Price exceeds £30,000. Buyers' attention is drawn to Condition 7 of the Notice to Bidders. VAT at the standard rate is payable on the Premium by all buyers".
So the buyer will be paying just short of £80,000.00 by my reckoning.
Winning bid was made on the telephone, not in-person at the auction. Don't know who bought it.
JK240
Club Member
Anyone see the footnote on the lot details...
We are delighted to inform prospective buyers that The Masters Historic Racing Series has invited Big Sam to compete at 'Donnington Revival', the celebration to re-open Donnington on 3/4/5 September 2010
I didn't even realise there was a Donnington revival!!
We are delighted to inform prospective buyers that The Masters Historic Racing Series has invited Big Sam to compete at 'Donnington Revival', the celebration to re-open Donnington on 3/4/5 September 2010
I didn't even realise there was a Donnington revival!!
Yes, it's to celebrate the circuit opening for races again. I was there in '77 when it re-opened the first time. It would be good to see Big Sam there.
datsun dave
Club Member
What did you think the car would sell for ?.
Nick Howell
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Thanks Sean for the invite but I am on the Ile de Sein, where my wife comes from. One van --to carry the oysters to the ferry, the small gas fuel truck and the Land Rover fire engine constitute the island's vehicle collection! Four bars within 100m and lots of water and boats. Makes a change....
All I can say so far is that the buyer of Big Sam lives in Essex and that the underbidder was a lady collector of interesting motors. I'm glad they both thought enough about Sam to have a go.
I must publicly thank The Count for his assistance and research over the years. He also helped with the catalogue description where I took up his suggestion of playing down the works history of the bodyshell to concentrate on its reputation as Big Sam, the modsports racer.
It will be great to see it out at Donnington. I didn't know about the invite until, again, I saw it on the ZClub forum. If there is a good pilot behind the wheel at Donnington's Masters I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few red faces when the chequered flag falls. Some of those guys are spending more buying and prepping standard Batmobiles, Capris and Escorts to make them handle than Big Sam has cost the new owner; and with no history attached. Just like 1974; money doesn't always win races. Should be fun.
Anyone know of a nice early motorcycle for sale? Something pre 1920 with a huge engine, girder forks, a tank gear change and handlebars that curve rearwards? Has to feel like it is going like hell when doing 60 mph!
Nick
All I can say so far is that the buyer of Big Sam lives in Essex and that the underbidder was a lady collector of interesting motors. I'm glad they both thought enough about Sam to have a go.
I must publicly thank The Count for his assistance and research over the years. He also helped with the catalogue description where I took up his suggestion of playing down the works history of the bodyshell to concentrate on its reputation as Big Sam, the modsports racer.
It will be great to see it out at Donnington. I didn't know about the invite until, again, I saw it on the ZClub forum. If there is a good pilot behind the wheel at Donnington's Masters I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few red faces when the chequered flag falls. Some of those guys are spending more buying and prepping standard Batmobiles, Capris and Escorts to make them handle than Big Sam has cost the new owner; and with no history attached. Just like 1974; money doesn't always win races. Should be fun.
Anyone know of a nice early motorcycle for sale? Something pre 1920 with a huge engine, girder forks, a tank gear change and handlebars that curve rearwards? Has to feel like it is going like hell when doing 60 mph!
Nick
samuri-240
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Excellent !!! if I had deep pockets he would have he would have fetched more .
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SeanDezart
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...........Image ? Period ?
Albrecht
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Well, I thought the invitation from the organisers of a well respected race series would help to boost the sale price. As Nick has pointed out, it would cost a whole bunch more than what the car sold for to buy, prepare and build a comparable car - and it still wouldn't have the history, or arguably the charm that an old racing car can have. I thought the Bonhams estimate was on the low side, but then auctioneers will sometimes give low estimates to help drum up interest in a Lot.
I thought it might easily go past 60k, and that - if three or four people were bidding against eachother - it could even knock 100k. That might sound absurd, but two other Lots that followed Big Sam in the auction both made more than 100k and they were both 'recreations'. Some people can buy and sell such toys on little more than a whim, so I think Big Sam's hammer price - as a viable and ready-to-race historic race car - was cheap if you look at the big picture.
So, to sum up, I didn't really know what it would go for. You can tell that the classic car world and the historic racing car world still need their collective hands held over old Zs, and need reassuring words whispered in their ears. It's probably up to some of us to help do that behind the scenes wherever possible ( correcting past mistakes and misinformation is a good start ) and one hopes that this result will help to 'raise the bar' a little for the model.
If the new owner takes it racing, makes a good impression ( it doesn't even need to win anything ) and then decides to sell on, it may well make even more in the future......
Russ said:
I believe they are 16" Minilite split rims ( split rim Minilites are quite rare ). A set of four period 15" one-piece magnesium Minilites were also sold with the car, along with their crack test report / X Rays.
SeanDezart
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Reminds me of one of the earliest questions - for historic racing is he eligible ?
Agreed.
It's definitely up to all of us to do what we can where we can, The Club has a larger role to fill but basically it's the same principle - cars have to be seen under whatever circumstances and seen by different groups of people via different events/shows/races etc !
Russ
Club Member