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Baffled Sumps

Discussion in 'General discussion' started by franky, Jul 25, 2018.

  1. franky

    franky
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    If all things are equal, I’d go for Japanese over American, just for better engineering.
     
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  2. SeanDezart

    SeanDezart
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    Funny you should say that - was chatting with an American guy last night making his own inlet manifold off measurements from an Harada but not a new one for I quote "The newer ones have terrible castings."
     
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  3. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    ...which is utter nonsense, and he climbed down pretty quickly when challenged on it. Apparently his idea of a "good casting" is one that he can polish to a chrome-like finish with the minimum of effort.

    I notice that he claims to be "designing" his own manifold, but is actually copying wholesale from Harada's design. Just another dimwit who has no clue what he's talking about but has 'access' to computer software which will get him half way there.

    If you want to see what a "terrible casting" looks like, I can show you a good example. Made by a company with a name beginning with the letter 'M'. Painted red and fitted by a company who called their work something beginning with the letter 'S':

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  4. SeanDezart

    SeanDezart
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    I heed your point re DM - I merely quoted what was said and don't have an Harada to comment personally.

    You're dredging up old scones Alan ;) - M has moved on and you know it. S....well, something obviously worked right whatever the casting as they made a name for themselves and in racing too.
     
  5. STEVE BURNS

    STEVE BURNS
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    what is with all the strange codes seems more like a secret society than a car club
    how the hell can the less educated Z enthusiast learn about things guys
     
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  6. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    Something you don't seem to be willing to credit Harada Shokai K.K. for...

    Repeating nonsense from dimwits is rife on social media these days and you ought to know better. It spreads like wildfire and it takes only hours to burn down reputations that took years to build. It's something that all of us should be cautious of.
     
  7. SeanDezart

    SeanDezart
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    Didn't know he was a dimwit - I just can't, don't global watch all Z media like you do.....or are there several of you dotted around the world ?

    "Don't seem to be willing to credit....." ....? Wild supposition from you, the cautious one ! It might help to better know how each individual helped the mighty L-gata but even in ignorance, I would never presume sir ! Besides, BRE showed 'em how to dit with a simple Canon part on mail-order.

    Burns - go and read a book, it'll tell you all you think you want to learn.:rolleyes:
     
  8. STEVE BURNS

    STEVE BURNS
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    please tell me and all the others what book to read

    After all how will we ever become as clever and knowledgeable as some on here

    Also not sure of how true some of the Z related books are because didn't some say the Geortz designed the Z So how will the less informed owners on here know which is true and what is not
    with out help from better informed people
     
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  9. SeanDezart

    SeanDezart
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    Don't ask me - I'm just the dimwit repeater.....thought it was Goertz anyway....are there two of them as well ?
     
  10. franky

    franky
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    He's plastered it all over Facebook. So he says he wants to make a 'top end' manifold for 'high end' builds. Yet hes doesn't understand anything about them, so is taking a Harada Shokai one to copy?

    I don't know what he's trying to gain.

    So going back to the sump, I'd go for the original over a copy, I'd go for a copy at a cheaper price point(for this), I'm not going for either as i'm out of car cash with lots of little bits needed, that'll end up costing me.
     
  11. Woody928

    Woody928
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    And people wonder why the club struggles with new members, openness and being welcoming when people want to talk in codes and riddles.... :rolleyes:
     
  12. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    What is it exactly that you'd like to know? Ask me a straight question and I'll endeavour to give you a straight answer without being threatened with legal action and/or menaces.
     
  13. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    Not only is he cribbing the Harada Shokai item for his datum points, but he's also talking about using Harada's own linkage hardware (which they are - quite philanthropically in my opinion - willing to supply to customers on a part-by-part basis) for his new "top end" item. And he doesn't see any irony in it.

    Harada should blacklist him.
     
  14. STEVE BURNS

    STEVE BURNS
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    A lot of people on here do not use facebook
    Just wondering if the use of the Initials M,S by some in the know, relates to Marks & Spenser
    Come on know How can I and other less informed members on here learn about things if we have no idea about what is being talked about

    Just Imagine if Geortz was never mentioned in any discussion years ago We still would be thinking he designed the Z

    Come on now people should not try and get people discussing things and then when asked who it was about not tell them
     
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  15. STEVE BURNS

    STEVE BURNS
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    how many more times Who
     
  16. SeanDezart

    SeanDezart
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    Just proves to my wife I don't zap from page to page for hours each day - thanks.

    I guess he's trying to gain his 15minutes notoriety.

    Yes, back to the sump and an end to all this flit-flat off-topic, dimwitted (and repeated for the hard of reading in NW) nonsense.......

    You'd go for the original !

    Who made the original - did Kameari wake up and decide, today - we're going to make that sump I thought of last week ?

    What was available before ? I've seen the wide-bay 'competition' sumps which must need specific exhaust manifolds to avoid them....

    And you'd go for a cheaper copy.....dream on unless you make your own !
     

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  17. SeanDezart

    SeanDezart
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    WHO or HOW (cute anagram game but soons runs out of steam) ?
     
  18. Woody928

    Woody928
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    Wasn't aimed at you Alan, more in reference to 'M', 'S' and some 'book'. Much appreciated though, I think you're safe from any threats ;)
     
  19. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    In reference to the inlet manifold photos I posted, illustrating a properly "poor casting" from the 1970s, the 'M' in question was manufacturer Mangoletsi and the 'S' in question was Samuri Conversions.

    And now I'm probably going to have the drones hovering above the house again. Better get the 'ol tin foil hat on...
     
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  20. Albrecht

    Albrecht Well-Known Forum User

    Maybe you should ask the same question of Arizona Z Car? I don't think its necessary to look for any kind of Genesis type moment for this kind of component. Special sumps for competition use are pretty much as old as the automobile itself. They pretty much all address the same problem and come up with the same solutions.

    Nissan was making and supplying gated and baffled sumps for L6 engines from 1970, and by 1972 they were using cast alloy, gated/trap-doored, baffled high capacity sumps on their Works cars. They would sell you a full bolt-on dry sump system if you wanted one too.

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