Another high end car auction

SeanDezart

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I won't condone the 'violence' on either 'side' of this 'debate' but a heads-up from the bush-fight I believe is very necessary in order to better promote our cars and avoid this club sliding into the obscurity of an online social club......the cars are the common denominator for all of us - perhaps the fuzzy direction is the main cause of a disunited front ?
 

morbias

Well-Known Forum User
I won't condone the 'violence' on either 'side' of this 'debate' but a heads-up from the bush-fight I believe is very necessary in order to better promote our cars and avoid this club sliding into the obscurity of an online social club......the cars are the common denominator for all of us - perhaps the fuzzy direction is the main cause of a disunited front ?

What's going on now is exactly why I avoid social media; bitching and making sure to get in those below-the-belt punches, as dressed up as they may be. Yes, any condescension and/or belittling on here is 'perceived', but when a significant number of people start 'perceiving' it then I would suggest it may have overstepped the mark. Having not been on the forums for a day and come back it's apparently degenerated into the Jeremy Kyle show, only everyone has better teeth.

At some point people should have agreed to disagree and left it at that, but instead it's all been kicked up again (and unnecessarily from my point of view). What is it around here that stops people accepting that others might have a difference of opinion? This is something they teach in primary school these days, I'd like to think we're all bigger and cleverer than that.

Alan, some things I share your opinion on and others I don't but I do find it sort of odd that on one hand you're complaining people don't want to learn, then on the other you often attach some cynical comment or witty remark when you do choose to educate. Perhaps, therefore, that is why some people would rather stay ignorant? Not everyone wants to engage in a battle of wits and would just prefer a simple answer.

This is only my opinion, anybody here is welcome to have a different one :)

[EDIT] Sean, quoted you because I wanted to say yes I do think that is part of it and people need to compromise a little, but I sort of went off on a tangent, sorry about that!
 
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Albrecht

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At some point people should have agreed to disagree and left it at that, but instead it's all been kicked up again (and unnecessarily from my point of view). What is it around here that stops people accepting that others might have a difference of opinion? This is something they teach in primary school these days, I'd like to think we're all bigger and cleverer than that.

You might be surprised - not to say enlightened somewhat - by the politicking that's been going on behind the scenes. A big spike in it recently, but some of it has been going on for years. I think you only see one side (mainly my arguably poor reaction to it, for which I apologise) so you might be well advised to wait a little before taking a view.

morbias said:
Alan, some things I share your opinion on and others I don't but I do find it sort of odd that on one hand you're complaining people don't want to learn, then on the other you often attach some cynical comment or witty remark when you do choose to educate. Perhaps, therefore, that is why some people would rather stay ignorant? Not everyone wants to engage in a battle of wits and would just prefer a simple answer.

Careful, it's taken me years of practice to perfect this online persona.

But seriously, you make it sound as though I'm the only one who can answer their questions, and as if it's my obligation to answer comprehensively and immediately when they demand it. I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't. Perhaps your sensibilities would be less offended if I were to refrain from any kind of emotion in my posts here? And you're apparently complaining about the odd "witty remark" too? Do you hold others on here to the same standard? How about the bright spark (well supported here, despite being a disaster on many levels) who - in one of his very first forum posts - deigned to call me a "****"? Are you a fan? I didn't see him get any admonishment. One of my 'worst' cases of misconduct (for which I was threatened, I kind you not) was to compare the rather cubic welded patching of a project car to Kryten's head. Who knew big burly blokes with 'tats' were so delicate, eh?

Some people just want to be spoon fed. They don't want to do their own research because they "don't care anyway" (yes, really!), but they expect service and they expect it now. And I have to say - of all the cars I've owned through the years, of all the old car owners I've come into contact with over the years - UK based Z owners have to be some of the least genned-up and switched on about their cars. Sometimes the ignorance about the most basic of facts is simply breathtaking. My default attitude to it - I'm sorry to say - is one of basic cynicism. Darwinism, basically. I've grown a pair of horns for self protection.

There are people in our 'community' who are switched on, and there are also some who share my views. We are a pretty small group though.
 

morbias

Well-Known Forum User
Alan, I fear we're falling into the same old argument of perception, as it works both ways, does it not? I don't particularly think what I wrote is fighting for one side, at least that's not what I had in my head when I wrote it, but I do type in a train-of-thought kind of way which probably presents itself quite badly a lot of the time. For eg. no doubt Riddler's Fiesta comment could have some Ford fans up in arms; I think everyone could consider what they're typing a bit more (including myself).

'some cynical comment or witty remark' that I mentioned - are they not one and the same? They could very well be, depends on the manner in which they are taken or intended - and that's really the problem with the internet, I think you'll agree. What you might see as a witty remark could be interpreted as a cynical comment, or vise versa.

Also I would describe the club as having a wide spectrum of members from the casual owners to the more die-hard aficionados (such as yourself - sorry if you don't approve of that description but absolutely no offense intended!).

And this is somewhere I will disagree with you - if you want the casual owners to be more receptive to the specifics and history I think someone with your extensive knowledge does need to be something of a guiding light as most of what is out there (especially on the internet) is factually incorrect as you well know. Casual owners likely don't have the time or inclination to go off and find all the correct (and/or hard to locate) sources, but if the information is more easily available to them they will take it on board and start sharing that rather than all the nonsense.
 

Albrecht

Well-Known Forum User
Alan, I fear we're falling into the same old argument of perception, as it works both ways, does it not? I don't particularly think what I wrote is fighting for one side, at least that's not what I had in my head when I wrote it, but I do type in a train-of-thought kind of way which probably presents itself quite badly a lot of the time.

You singled me out specifically, by name. And no, from where I'm looking it appears I'm not allowed to be offended and have to suck it up when I'm insulted and when I get threatening messages sent to me, so it doesn't work equally in both ways.

As I've said before, you probably have little idea of what is going on behind the scenes.
 

Albrecht

Well-Known Forum User
£100k..sounds about right given the condition and perhaps not so original features on it.

Buyer will have paid around 170k USD by the time all commission and etc has been paid, so more like 112k GBP at today's exchange rates.
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
Buyer will have paid around 170k USD by the time all commission and etc has been paid, so more like 112k GBP at today's exchange rates.

Cheap still - if I had the money spare, I'd buy it over and above most other contemporary sportscars and saloons - which begs a question :

at £110k, what other choices are there today for another make and model of that era ?

Anyone got a What-Car list of cars against prices ?























The first one to say 260Z gets shot..........only kidding...really !:thumbs:
 

morbias

Well-Known Forum User
You singled me out specifically, by name. And no, from where I'm looking it appears I'm not allowed to be offended and have to suck it up when I'm insulted and when I get threatening messages sent to me, so it doesn't work equally in both ways.

As I've said before, you probably have little idea of what is going on behind the scenes.

My aim was not to single you out, that last paragraph was only intended to suggest a reason as to why people might react that way when, from your point of view, you're only trying to impart some knowledge. I did not intend to offend, but again, maybe it did not come across as it was supposed to.

If your primary goal is for people to be more knowledgeable then that can only be achieved by the knowledge being shared. And if that happens and people learn something as a result then surely you've already achieved your goal, thanks should be considered a bonus and not an expectation as sadly you can't always have your cake and eat it.
 

Pete

Well-Known Forum User
When you asked what colour it was, and I made the effort to provide the information, you didn't even acknowledge it.

My fault, obviously.

I know you did, was just trying to lighten things a bit.
I don't think every reply to a post necessitates a reply, you can get caught up in that 'you hang up first' thing, however if you think it did, a belated thanks.
 

datsfun

Club Member
Not directly - these cars are too unique, like expecting the sale of a C10 GTR to lift the price of a Cedric :rolleyes: but :

Aren't you comparing apples and mangoes in your example ^ : C10GTR Vs Cedric?

Surely more appropriate would be to link a C10GTR sale to a normal entry spec L series C10 coupé?...if anything that is a perfect example where all the sporting heritage and pedigree lies in the S20 engined GTR and they fetch a handsome amount on the market; if it were not for the GTR success then IMHO the 2000GT, 2 door C10 coupé would have a lower worth?

I still believe that the 432 is VFM especially when you consider a series 1 RS turbo Escort sold for £60k @ NEC! :devil::eek:
 

grolls

Well-Known Forum User
Just for what it is worth,

Accusing a person and very publicly of being a bully is in fact doing the same thing but on a much grander scale. If someone has an issue what ever happened to removing the thread and the moderators making a decision and the person spoken too?

Some that have posted on this thread and indeed others need to grow some and review their comments and think about what they have said and appologise.
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
Aren't you comparing apples and mangoes in your example ^ : C10GTR Vs Cedric?

Sure - but what do I know....I 'count' upon you coming along and belittling me for my ignorance....and now I know better.....but could you just rephrase all that again please because I didn't quite like the tone of it.:rolleyes:

Paul - are you going to sell that limo or not ?:p
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
No, sure you're right as I've seen them listed seperately. Like you say, they will fit but not ideal - glass is the same though.
 

PZ 69

Well-Known Forum User
So, earlier this year, the Z432 at Ameila Island, sold for $253,000.

This blue one sold for $152,000 + tax + commision.

There is a large cost difference between the two sold. I know that each car has to be looked at separately.

The white coloured Z432 at http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/nissan-andere-fairlady-z432-fukuoka-city/217970833.html , is approx $242,000.

The blue one looks a good buy now.

With the Z432 fetching this price, i wonder what its older sibling the PS30 SB is changing hands for (£200K GBP plus)?
 
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