JK240
Club Member
Some nice pictures, which are as close as I'm ever likely to get 
http://www.kenobrothers.com/auctions/1972-nissan-fairlady-z432
http://www.kenobrothers.com/auctions/1972-nissan-fairlady-z432
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Another high end car auction
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SeanDezart
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£130k
It's just beyond me that. These are lovely cars, nobody thinks that more than me, but no way are they worth 130k in my opinion however special they might be. I mean, if I put that car alongside my own, which is probably worth 25k tops (in dollars), so much of what is there would be identical. Is it worth another 105k just to get this special version? I just can't see it myself. Yes that car is beautiful, it is concours, the engine is more powerful and it is a rare version. But at the end of the day it is still a Datsun S30.
Albrecht
Well-Known Forum User
It most definitely is not a 'Datsun'.
Albrecht
Well-Known Forum User
The car in question is a 'Kouki' (late production) PS30, which means that the body and some of the detailing isn't quite as special as it was on the 'Zenki' (early production) PS30 models.
It's the early production and - importantly - stock, or near stock - PS30s and PS30-SBs that are the most sought after at the moment, and which are therefore commanding the highest prices. The car in question is late production and much modified / personalised. This would put off anybody who wanted a pretty much bone stock early car (which is what the *newbie* so-called collector car market buyers are interested in) and so the car might not reach the high prices that these cars are changing hands for in Japan.
Having said that, it's an auction in a country and market that knows little about these cars. All it needs is two people to bid it up. It's still chump change to a lot of the nouveau 'collectors' out there...
It's the early production and - importantly - stock, or near stock - PS30s and PS30-SBs that are the most sought after at the moment, and which are therefore commanding the highest prices. The car in question is late production and much modified / personalised. This would put off anybody who wanted a pretty much bone stock early car (which is what the *newbie* so-called collector car market buyers are interested in) and so the car might not reach the high prices that these cars are changing hands for in Japan.
Having said that, it's an auction in a country and market that knows little about these cars. All it needs is two people to bid it up. It's still chump change to a lot of the nouveau 'collectors' out there...
Albrecht
Well-Known Forum User
It would probably be quite educational to compare just how many parts on a PS30 are different to the parts on your car. More to the point, it would probably be quite interesting to see if I could help you understand how much of your car is how it is simply because other variants were conceived, designed, styled, engineered and produced alongside it. Maybe it would help you to understand your own car a little more deeply?
Where's your line of thinking going though? A paste 'diamond' looks just like a real diamond, and performs its primary function (looking good) just as well. A G-Shock tells time more accurately than a Patek Philippe. 1952 Fender Telecaster vs 2012 Squier Telecaster?
If any of this needs explaining then it's probably going to fall on deaf ears. I'm nonplussed by the fact that the house I live in - a pile of bricks and timber that was chucked up over 100 years ago and has been doing its best to fall down ever since - is now worth more than I have earned - or will earn - in my lifetime. Most of that is apparently due not to what it is, but to where it is.
Supply and demand accounts for a lot of it, but the demand for the PS30 is founded on something a little more akin to magic than a forensic study of its componentry and sheetmetal...
STEVE BURNS
Club Member
Every body is entitled to their opinion and IMHO no zed no matter what its history is worth that sort of money and any one who pays that is again in my opinion is doing so just to be like the "loads of money"caricature
Albrecht
Well-Known Forum User
Your opinion seems to be incompatible with your 'hobby'.
How about a genuine 1971 Works 240Z rally car? How much money is that "worth"?
Again, I'm trying to point you in the direction of understanding that the money aspect of all this is a by-product of something far more nebulous.
I'd give £50k for it but that wouldn't be anywhere near enough so stop frustrating me.
STEVE BURNS
Club Member
But It is my opinion
And do not understand "seems to be incompatible with your 'hobby'." and even less so why hobby is in inverted commas
No where near as much as others think
Well again I had to look up the meaning of a less commonly used word to try and understand what is being said
datsfun
Club Member
"Worth" is simple economics involving willing buyer and seller.
If someone is prepared to pay top dollar for a commodity then that's the true worth IMHO.
Whether you, me or anyone else feels that its overpriced becomes a moot point as the market decides true worth.
FWIW, I would stump up £150k if I had the money for this Datsun s30, convert it to a rally car and do the East African Safari in it.
Luckily for the Z car custodians and purists I am skint
STEVE BURNS
Club Member
Whilst I respect your opinion IMHO and not relating the following to the the subject car in any way
Lets say outside my house a dog drops its load in a pile in my garden and someone wanted to buy it for a million quid in my mind no matter what was paid for it IMHO it would not be worth a million quid
How much is a decent footballer 'worth'?
Albrecht
Well-Known Forum User
Yes, it's your opinion. You're not competing with the other people who are driving up prices, so your opinion - right, wrong or both - is not having any effect on the desirability of the car in question and - therefore - the price it may command.
If you don't understand how thinking only in monetary terms (£10k "worth it" / £100k "not worth it") is missing most of the point of this 'hobby' then I feel a bit sad for you. Would you go to an art gallery to look at a Turner and say "£20million, not worth it", or would you go there to wonder at Turner's genius and enjoy all the emotions the picture might (hopefully) evoke*...?
*not the new little Range Rover...
I wrote 'hobby' because I can't think what else to call it. How about if I wrote 'our hobby'? Better?
STEVE BURNS said:
How about the insurance company? How about the club's valuations officer? Slippery slope...
There was a Nissan Z432 at Amelia Island, either earlier in the year or last year, which will give you a good indicator of the value of this car.
One of my pet hates. Footballers are worth exactly what they get paid, the only reason some of them get paid x million £ is because their employers are making x million plus £ out of them, it's called capitalism. If 100,00 people wanted to turn up to watch you doing your work, selling ppi, spanering cars or whatever, you'd want paid a lot as well.
I don't know what car you have, but i am sure it has not got a S20 engine in it, which makes these Z432 stand out from the norm. These Nissan Z432 are the holy grail even more so for the Z432 R, which is so much different.
Is a Ford Escort MK 1 or 2 worth the value?
Would you sell your Nissan for half the market value then, if its not worth it?