Adventures with Zstory Race Sport system and mufflers

[toopy]

you know why you can’t walk in them? Because you shouldn’t be wearing them!!

Who cares about the walking, it's the heel and toeing you should be concerned about!

 

[AliK]

Who cares about the walking, it's the heel and toeing you should be concerned about!

Dad joke alert !!

 

[Bazzateer]

Dad joke alert !!

Aren't they the best kind?

 

[SeanDezart]

And I'm also grateful for and not forgotten our discussion some years ago when I asked your advice before naming my new silencer and you suggested calling it 'JDM' rather than 'Z432' especially because, as you reminded me, the vertically-stacked silencer (as part of the the twin pipe system) was available as an option on all engine versions and not just the S20.

Don't recall that aspect of any conversation (and doubt I'd use the 'JDM' acronym as I find it all but meaningless these days), but I do recall giving you - at your request - multiple dimensions/measurements of an OEM twin pipe system which you said you were hoping to replicate. Seems you might have forgotten to replicate the two in, two out aspect in favour of something that hooked up to your single pipe systems. Commercial design concession, no doubt.

A conveniently short or selective memory then…..or just old age.

No concessions here – I see no need to replicate a twin-line system when one already exists for potentiel customers so inclined.

The following photos are merely some examples and of their fitting which I believe is down to each owners' attention to detail......and said 'personal taste' ?

……the first one looks like an Abarth back box which - ahem - seems to have little to nothing to do with the comparison between the OEM systems and your own. What are we looking at, and why?

The Abarth is another 1x in, two out like mine and is a good example and therefore everything to do with the comparision between mine and OEM systems.

For good measure, I’ve attached a photo from Woody of mine in the foreground and something less aestetically pleasing behind !

And so, for the easily confused (generally limited to the third generation on daily supermarket runs in their Austin Maestros or modern equivalent…Citroën Picassos ?), here are (almost) the same photos showing various fitments of my mufflers on 3x S30 models, Fujitsubo mufflers poorly fitting, the Ansa 1x in / 2x out which is an ugly, ‘farmyard’ piece in comparaison to the two previous stainless-steel mufflers, a visual comparision of my JDM and ‘something else’ with does not share the same discreet profile, what might be the same indiscreet profiled muffler ( ?) but fitted sideways and finally two photos of my largest muffler mounted on our 280Z to show how well such a larger silencer can be made to fit ;

I consider my mufflers to be some of the best fitting on the market !

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There is some scaremongering permitted to continue here on this forum which isn’t new but when blended with 'imposed' conventionalism becomes tiring, predictable and rather authoritarian – let people choose freely what THEY want on THIER cars !

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

Just in the defence of the Fujitsubo, it’s fitted to a car with an r200 diff. So a bit of Darwinism there.

 

[Albrecht]

A conveniently short or selective memory then…..or just old age.

...or you didn't fully understand what was being discussed, or - indeed - you are misrepresenting what actually took place. It's kind of funny that you choose to question my memory of what was discussed during communications in which I was giving you dimensions, photos and illustrations of OEM Nissan parts at your request, and to the benefit of your business. But that's you, I guess.

In any case, calling your twin-exit muffler 'JDM' confuses matters. This is perfectly illustrated by the new captions you have put on your 'illustrative' photos attached above. I suggest you add 'Z Story' to 'JDM' when discussing/selling that particular item to avoid the risk of misleading, unless that's part of the plan?

The Abarth is another 1x in, two out like mine and is a good example and therefore everything to do with the comparision between mine and OEM systems.

The Abarth (ANSA) has its own identity and history across many makes and models which is well recognised, and the ANSA didn't feign to imitate any OEM Nissan parts. So I don't see that your comparison works there. All the more so when you choose to call it "farmyard".

For good measure, I’ve attached a photo from Woody of mine in the foreground and something less aestetically pleasing behind !

Again, I don't see the particular relevance. Woody's car has the 'early' type rear valance and is therefore a car that was designed and engineered to accept a full twin-pipe OEM system. Seeing as you (presumably) followed the OEM dimensions I supplied for the exit side, and the rearmost factory hanger is used, it should fit and look neat like the OEM does. Comparing it to the car behind is relevant how?

The whole point I was making about fit was in using a vertical stacked twin-exit muffler on a car with the 'late' type rear valance. No vertically stacked twin-exit muffler will fit there in the way that the 'early' valance will allow. You show photos of a Fujitsubo system on a 'late' car in comparison, but all it illustrates is the original point. The 'late' valance type is not a good match with any twin-exit system. Yours is no exception. Nissan stopped offering the twin pipe system for 'late' Japanese market cars for this very reason. I don't see how pointing out the less-than-ideal fitment for such cars is in any way controversial. Ali made the very same point in his video.

There is some scaremongering permitted to continue here on this forum which isn’t new but when blended with 'imposed' conventionalism becomes tiring, predictable and rather authoritarian – let people choose freely what THEY want on THIER cars !

LOL @ "scaremongering permitted". Where? Utter nonsense.

Nobody is "imposing" anything on anybody. If people have all the information set out in front of them, THEN they can choose freely and more appropriately for their needs/budget/tastes. Ali's videos can be part of that. Free access to facts and impartial opinion is all the more important these days when some manufacturers and suppliers are insisting on positive reviews as a condition of claim resolution. I'm sure any reputable business would agree.

 

[Albrecht]

Just in the defence of the Fujitsubo, it’s fitted to a car with an r200 diff. So a bit of Darwinism there.

Exactly. I don't see how a photo of a Fujitsubo system on a 'late' type rear valanced car, and with an R200 diff fitted (which Fujitsubo themselves do not recommend) is illustrative of anything except poor (natural) selection.

 

[richiep]

For good measure, I’ve attached a photo from Woody of mine in the foreground and something less aestetically pleasing behind !

"aesthetically".

Also, the "less pleasing" exhaust in question is on Dave Porter's RB-engined Z and is entirely different in design. That back box is not poor fitting, but is in fact oval (in a vertical orientation), not round, with much bigger pipe going in and wider tips out. Hence it looks low-slung in that photo, but is well-tucked at the top. So not really a fair comparison given the different nature of the overall fitment and system requirements.

 

[SeanDezart]

"aesthetically".

Also, the "less pleasing" exhaust in question is on Dave Porter's RB-engined Z and is entirely different in design. That back box is not poor fitting, but is in fact oval (in a vertical orientation), not round, with much bigger pipe going in and wider tips out. Hence it looks low-slung in that photo, but is well-tucked at the top. So not really a fair comparison given the different nature of the overall fitment and system requirements.

Sorry - that slipped through the French-obsessed spell-check !

I didn't say that it was 'poor-fitting' but "does not share the same discreet profile" !

 

[SeanDezart]

Exactly. I don't see how a photo of a Fujitsubo system on a 'late' type rear valanced car, and with an R200 diff fitted (which Fujitsubo themselves do not recommend) is illustrative of anything except poor (natural) selection.

Japan never got an R200-equipped S30/S31-series Z…..so for Fujitsubo 'Legalis' street legal systems, that's all they can legally recommend for the L-gata powered S30/S31-series chassis. Anything else is 'custom', requires declaration to the authorities by the owner/user to be legal for road use and therefore - it follows - is a case-by-case scenario which a manufacturer like Fujitsubo is likely to leave up to the end user to sort out.

So, caveat-emptor ?

The (new) Fujitsubo Legalis is very well packaged, and I would imagine it has taken a lot of time for them to get it to fit so well.

The factory twin pipe system's shape and routing - in contrast - is very likely much more forgiving and tweakable for individual fit.

Thats the newer one that tucks up a lot tighter than the first version(which they had on sale for 20ish years!).

Yes, it took them 20ish years LOL !

 

[status]

I’ll do you a piccy wen I get the Zed out,perfect fit right through

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

So, caveat-emptor ?





Yes, it took them 20ish years LOL !

I'd guess its as people started to run their cars lower, it was time to revisit, they also managed to get quite a bit more performance out of it.

Every exhaust will have its issues, yours aren't without fault, hence why you're constantly trying to improve it based on feedback when your customers are fitting them.

 

[SeanDezart]

I'd guess its as people started to run their cars lower, it was time to revisit, they also managed to get quite a bit more performance out of it.

Every exhaust will have its issues, yours aren't without fault, hence why you're constantly trying to improve it based on feedback when your customers are fitting them.

Well said and there is also the US-mode of fitting bigger 'and better' (?) diffs which is all nuggets as I'm running an R180 on my stroker with no problems and Ad agreed with me in the pits at Le Mans last weekend. Light is right.

And yes, every exhaust does have their issues* and customers want plug and play after-market performance parts - to be able to fit themselves on a warm Saturday.

It's irrealistic to expect one header and line to compliment all models, all years, diverses engines sizes and induction types and with so many owner-mods....the variables are almost unlimited.

I do my best and since mine were on the market, Fujitsubo have revised theirs - all great for the end customers.

Nuff said - I have work to do except......

I think Sean's system only works with headers ...

No longer true - see the prototype images ; fit my line with your factory cast-iron manifold whether you have a 240Z, 260Z or 280Z (2x or 2+2) and save yourself money and time !

 

[status]

Like the piccies Sean the orange Z,are those Konig wheels on there do you know ?

 

[SeanDezart]

Like the piccies Sean the orange Z,are those Konig wheels on there do you know ?

I don't think so - do Konigs come in two PCD sizes as these have 8x holes.

This 280Z is from the same seller as this (and others listed) : https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1325243

 

[Mr Tenno]

Locking this thread as some people don't seem to know when to stop.