280ZX, Never ending rebuild

Huw

Club Member
Got the old bus back from the paint shop Friday and she looks wonderful. I think they did a fantastic job, they had the car for three weeks and did a complete bare metal respray. They even found and repaired some panels I thought were originally sound.

Now the fun begins as I can start fitting her out, hope to hell I don't scratch the new paint as room in the garage is a bit tight. Once I get the head back from the machine shop I can drop the engine in. Any suggestion as the best way (engine and gear box together in one go, or gearbox first then fit the engine?)

Just a few pics for those who maybe interested.

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AndyMinto

Inactive
God these restored 280ZX are becoming as common as muck. I think i need to find someting else that i once considered rare;-)
 

candy red

Club Member
looking good Huw i know how you are feeling :D:D:D:D when i refitted engine and gearbox i fitted them separately gearbox first then engine that was my preference as i was doing it on my own and in my garage good luck remember take your time and no scratches please :thumbs::thumbs:
 

candy red

Club Member
God these restored 280ZX are becoming as common as muck. I think i need to find someting else that i once considered rare;-)

Andy they might seem common as muck but there are less 280zxs registed on the road than any other z the 280zx will have its day keep going mate hopefully we can have more than one 280zx at japfest 2014 as there was a huge amount of interest in my car all day long :)
 

RIDDLER

Well-Known Forum User
Looking really nice. Isn't it great when they come home - you miss 'em while they are away.Enjoy finishing the job off. Just don't knock that lovely paintwork!
 

Huw

Club Member
Cheers for your comment guys. There does seem a few about Andy don't there - which is nice!
Wheels are off now and going for polishing and powder coating. Will be plumbing and wiring the car this weekend, with luck. Having been off the road for so long, I'm trying to make up for lost time.
 

zedboy

Club Member
I love 280 2 seaters. It's nice to see some real interest in them again. I look forward to seeing this as a finished product. Good Luck!
 

Huw

Club Member
Its been a while since I’ve updated my thread, so here is a potted history of work over the summer.

While the car was away being sprayed I continued with the engine rebuild. After taking lots of advice from many members I decided to completely rebuild the motor in favour of just a head rebuild. This turned out to be a very wise move, thanks pmac for the advice. Once I removed the head and stripped the block I found all manor of horrors.



Before I took the car off the road many years ago, it was prone to overheating. With the head off I found heat damage to number six cylinder and what I though was sever rusting of the block once the core plugs were removed. A yellow orangey powder pored out of the rear of the block when I removed the core plugs. The block drain plug was completely blocked up with the stuff. As it turns out, this was not all rust, but a mix of rust and casting sand, a lot of casting sand, from the original casting process. I’m surprised the engine never went bang sooner. Good old Japanese mass production at its best.



With the block stripped and dipped, it needed a re-bore to sort the damage to number six and the deck was skimmed to remove some pitting on the surface. As it turned out it was not as serious as I first thought.

The inside got a nice coat of Glyptal, cos I’ve always wanted to do that to an engine. The crank did not need any work as it was well with in tolerances, which was a surprise. The rods were checked while they were out and found to be fine. So new pistons, rings and bearings were fitted to finish off the work to the block.







Attention was then given to the head and this is where it went horribly wrong and got expensive. This is the first overhead cam engine I’ve rebuilt and probably not a good one to start with. Side valve engines are soooo much easier to do.

I had the head skimmed, inserts fitted to the valve guides and the valve seats resurfaced – easy I thought. When I got the head back and merrily fitted all the valve train back together I found there was no adjustment left in the rockers and the lash wipe pattern was well off. Problem was the machine shop had cut the seats so far back the seats needed to be replaced. After lots more messing about, new seats and valves fixed it. But it still needed odd size lash pads to fix some of the variances in valve stem height. I had these ground to size by a precision toolmaker from oversize pads from the states. The next challenge was the timing chain.


This rebuild was a real journey for me and the one thing I take away from it is to be REAL sure the machine shop you use knows Datsun heads and then just don’t take their word for it at face value like I did and paid heavily for it. Also always buy your bits from Mr F. as they will bloody fit! Unlike like the timing kit I foolishly bought off eBay. There was so much slop in the cam sprocket it was impossible to set the timing. It was worse that the worn one I took off in the first place.




I had the sump powder coated and all the nuts, bolts and fittings gold zinc plated as I wanted a gold and blue theme for the engine. I’m glad I did go down the plating route as the water pipes that run around the front of the engine came back full of holes where the plating process removed the rust that had been holding them together, but looking at them before hand you would not have know they where rusty!



The rocker cover I’ve had powder coated in candy apple blue to match the air box I’ve also had done. I also had the exhaust manifold ceramic-coated silver just for the hell of it. All the aluminium castings have been vapour blasted to remove the corrosion, I did not want them polished and the finish from the process leaves them a lovely mat kind of finish.



As most of the rubber hosing on mine was way passed it, its all been replaced using silicon hosing, which came in blue – which was nice. The cost of having a few hoses made up as special items was not that bad and way comparable with available new rubber hoses (which didn’t come in blue).









So the engine is now as near finished as possible and awaiting being reunited with the body, but I’m waiting for the wheels to come back from being refurbished before I can do that.

I’ve also rebuilt the front brake callipers, I had them blasted, zinc plated and then powder coated a nice light blue, which will go really nicely with the aluminium/silver of the wheel when they are done. All the plating, powder coating has been done by a motorcycle custom shop in Bristol, I would really recommend them if anyone is interested.



That it for now, there are more photos in my albums. Will post more as I do it.
 
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Huw

Club Member
Cheers Franky, In hind sight should have bought that motor you offered me. Would have cost less. You live and learn. Still using dished pistons to go with the N42 head. If I had taken the P90 head from you I would have gone flaties. Advice I was given was to stick with that set up I had and get the compression raised slightly. Which I got done - I think more luck that intent by the machine shop I used.
 

morbias

Well-Known Forum User
Sorry to hear it ended up being the valve seats, but it looks like the engine has turned out great, you must be well pleased. Nice choice of colours too. Does this mean the car is almost finished?

Also I don't suppose you can remember what ID hose you used for the block to heater connections? I'm thinking of going with silicon too but not sure what size to go for.
 

Rob Gaskin

Treasurer
Staff member
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Another perfectionist in the club - wow impressive.

Valve seats - common problem I think with these engines. When I had my engine rebuilt the builder told me that I'd have never got it right because the machine shop had fitted the seats a bit deep. He fixed it with just lashpads though and it ran well (and still is). Also like you I bought dish-top pistons and he just skimmed the top off (there's more to it than that of course - like conrod length and valve clearance).

280ZX are getting reborn again. :thumbs:
 
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