SeanDezart
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I always hated swotty kids like you when I call at their house to play.....
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Albrecht
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I wouldn't want a "series 1" car....rain pouring in through the hatch....
Rain? Only if it's got something wrong with it. Perfectly functional if all internal parts are present, correct and working properly.
SeanDezart
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.....if....after +45years !
So why did Nissan change it if 'perfectly functional' so soon in production ?
Albrecht
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Because vented type pillar design was SO much cheaper to manufacture, easier to put together and easier to maintain in working order.
Evolution, innit.
Albrecht
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Usually the same kind of people who know - and care - about the difference between a Status Kingbass and a Status S2-Classic....
SeanDezart
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Changing the pressing for a rear 1/4 instead of leaving a hatch as is ? No, sounds like going the wrong way to me......
I got me a Paper Jamz guitar and now can 'Status Quo' like the rest...unlike Nissan who 'evolved' !
Albrecht
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Changing the pressing for a rear 1/4 instead of leaving a hatch as is ? No, sounds like going the wrong way to me......
Maybe you just need more time to think it through.
Take a peep at your factory parts list and remind yourself just how many individual parts make up the internals and externals of the vented type tailgate. Count them. Now do a costing on the manufacturing, procurement, stocking and assembly line readying of them, and then a time and motion study of their assembly and fitting. It's a no-brainer.
Vented type pillar design was really just the pushed-in vent pressing, some extra steel pressings on the inside structure and a pair of pillar vent emblems.
Both designs allowed water inside the car under extreme conditions though.
S30-series Z projected service lifespan? 3~5 years.
SeanDezart
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Yes, thanks Alan....I t-h-i-n-k- s-l-o-w-l-y these days.....
!I realised that the early versions have more interior parts but although a modest stock must have been kept for accident damage, they weren't consumable parts so 9/10 once fitted - they stayed and worked.
Why didn't Nissan begin with the later series hatches if it was less expensive to make, assemble and stock , Most else about the car was well planned around budget - was there a JDM vs. export reason - after all, the car was primarily designed for Japan ?
Albrecht
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I'm talking about the initial build costs, in parts (manufacturing, stocking, logistics) as well as labour costs (assembly). There's a lot of parts in there...
SeanDezart said:
That's a bizarre way of thinking. Why didn't we just start with mobile phones instead of dealing with all those silly wires for land lines?
There were hundreds of incremental parts and assembly improvements, refinements and updates in these cars. With the flow-through ventilation system they just found a simpler, easier, arguably more effective and certainly cheaper way of letting the air out of the car. Evolution...
SeanDezart said:
Well I wouldn't agree that everything was "planned around budget". It was a major factor (costing is always a factor), but there were many other factors too. The flow-through ventilation system was not biased towards RHD or LHD, or Japanese market vs any other market. I don't know where this "primarily designed for Japan" idea comes from either; The S30-series Z was conceived as a family of models suitable for several different markets, and great pains were taken to ensure that both RHD and LHD variants worked equally well in terms of engineering and ergonomics. You can't say that the S30-series Z was "primarily designed for Japan" any more than you can say that the S30-series Z was "primarily designed for the USA". Both are examples of wrong-headed thinking.
Don't confuse largest potential target market with "designed for" or else you'll have everything from the Austin Atlantic through the Austin Healey Sprite, MG Midget, E-Type Jaguar and Porsche 356, 911, 914 and any number of other cars being "designed for the USA", which is clearly not the case.
But there was a certain amount of design concession, sure. This was mostly centred around the choice of drivetrain (both L-gata and S20 engines and their gearboxes had a natural bias to RHD market suitability) which had a domino effect on other components and a little bit of bias in ergonomics. But in almost all respects they took great pains to ensure compatability with multiple configurations and got it right.
uk66fastback
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uk66fastback
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We're the ones without egos ... !
I've got a king bass,an S 2 and an empathy so think I know a bit and yes failed guitarists normally think they can play a bit of bass,I'm lucky I was classically trained on the guitar but love the bass,also played the old Johanna since I could walk so if you want to know anything about instruments feel free to ask,and if I can be bothered you might get an answer.Now where was I,Wal good but overpriced
uk66fastback
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WAL overpriced ... That's so the riff-raff don't own them. Seriously, quality costs. Not that I have one. But they were a lot cheaper back in the day (should have bought one them of course) ....
I have two Ibanez's now - one fretless. And played a Precision fretless back in the 80s ... we all thought we were Pino back then. I wish I still had the Fender ...
I have two Ibanez's now - one fretless. And played a Precision fretless back in the 80s ... we all thought we were Pino back then. I wish I still had the Fender ...
SeanDezart
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And anyway, all girls are only ever happy for a short period of time - better drive a Z and have a serious relationship.
We don't really care Sean that's my point love,it's cos you ain't got nout else to do,go for a walk and think beautifully thoughts,take deep breaths and think of something constructive and not meaningless conversation,talk to the birds,the fish,the trees.Then get back and get ratarsed on a bottle of red