Alphabettispaghetti
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£70k 1969 Sam modded by the z farm?
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SeanDezart
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All pertinent as the car has been compared to MZR cars.
Is that your personal view or an officials club decision please ?
As a personal view, it may be be debated with differeing opinions....in the private members' section if necessary.
Alphabettispaghetti
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again, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
It's a fact, that you're not going to debate in this thread.
So is there a conclusion to this Thread?
I've known cars with VIN swaps (2 rally S30s and that Ferrari-260Z) and there will be lots more. Two were being sold at auction and the auction house were not interested. All three described the changes in the 'blurb'.
Two of the cars (especially the Ferrari!) were being deceitful. A Datsun pretending it's a Ferrari and a 280Z pretending it's a 240Z.
Would it be seen as 'the done thing' to inform the DVLA? Would they be interested? I suspect that they are more interested in the changed identity of stolen cars.
I've known cars with VIN swaps (2 rally S30s and that Ferrari-260Z) and there will be lots more. Two were being sold at auction and the auction house were not interested. All three described the changes in the 'blurb'.
Two of the cars (especially the Ferrari!) were being deceitful. A Datsun pretending it's a Ferrari and a 280Z pretending it's a 240Z.
Would it be seen as 'the done thing' to inform the DVLA? Would they be interested? I suspect that they are more interested in the changed identity of stolen cars.
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uk66fastback
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Did my comment get removed Mr T? What rules did it flout?
I don't see any comments that have been removed on the admin side - are you sure it went through?
Albrecht
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Flawed logic and poorly thought-through opinion.
Yes, the L in the 'HLS30' chassis prefix indicated Left Hand Drive, but that doesn't stop the car from being modified. There's also a power unit identifier in the code, and that doesn't preclude an engine change/type swap.
The 'identity' of the car - as defined by the manufacturer and as defined by the vehicle licensing authorities in most developed countries - is the chassis prefix and body serial number combination issued to it when it was made. It is non-transferable, non-negotiable and unalterable.
Yes. The car in question is a ringer. It fits the definition to a tee. This is a car which has had its original identity removed, and another identity attached to it. It is not a 'Re-shell' as that is simply not possible with these cars (Nissan has never supplied replacement S30-series Z unibodies without their own identities). It's a wrong 'un.
At this stage that's the vendor/owner's problem. If somebody buys it, and is oblivious to identity swap and its implications, it could be an expensive mistake.
uk66fastback
Club Member
Sorry Mr T, my mistake!
And Albrecht has an avatar with Adrian Street in it - my life is complete!
And Albrecht has an avatar with Adrian Street in it - my life is complete!
Alphabettispaghetti
Club Member
I'm not sure Rob, you think there'd be an email address or similar where you can report stuff like this? Failing that, its almost a public service to potential owners to discuss this and have it in public knowledge. Imagine if you had bought it thinking its 'all above board'.
As it stands, its one of the most confusing s30's around.
69 chassis number, 72/3 shell
Sam colour scheme but not one
cream interior with deep pile carpets and a couple of random spotlights.
I found this part of the description interesting:
Removal of spare wheel holder, original petrol tank and all of the original small storage deposits, to create a much larger open flat floor space.
Removal of spare wheel holder, original petrol tank and all of the original small storage deposits, to create a much larger open flat floor space.
Alphabettispaghetti
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It shouldn't have the stowage deposits should it. so its 2% in the right direction
The only time I've felt sufficiently strongly about doing that is with the 'Ferrari'. How anyone can get away with registering, taxing, insuring, MoT'ing a Datsun as a Ferrari is beyond me.
If this car in question was using a Z Club Member's stolen car that would be different.
Apparently the address to contact is enforcementintel@dvla.gsi.gov.uk
uk66fastback
Club Member
No way of finding out what the VIN was on the later shell though ...
Albrecht
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The bodyshell certainly looks to be later than August 1973 production type. Without a proper look in the metal it might be hard to pin down, but I'm guessing probably within a year or so of that.
This car appears to have passed through more than one set of hands in ownership, and has been worked on by more than one company too, so I'd be cautious of apportioning blame for the ID swap to any one person at this stage.
I think the most important thing is that any prospective purchaser is as fully informed as is possible.
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Alphabettispaghetti
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That I think has been worded well, nowhere in this thread does it say who or where the 'swap' was done. Which is sensible for the forum also.