UK Z432 For sale

Albrecht

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I wonder how much that is ? and is it the one that came in a couple of years ago

This is not the car that was sourced from Japan (at great fanfare) for a customer by 'The GT-R Shop', and which turned out to be parts from at least three different cars welded together. That car ('PS30-00105') underwent huge rectification and refurbishment, and then ended up being sold to a "collector" in the USA.

As far as I am aware - and without being clairvoyant - I believe that left a total of TWO other genuine 'PS30' Fairlady Z432s in the UK; This one now for sale via Car and Classic, plus one more. Both owned - as far as I am aware - by individual 'collectors' and/or 'investors', and relatively recent arrivals.
 

richiep

Club Member
'collectors' and/or 'investors'... ugh. Well, perhaps unfair to collectors if they are genuine enthusiasts who actually use the cars they collect, but, in general, I find the idea of old rich blokes buying cars to sit around as part of an investment portfolio to be sad and irritating. Especially when, as often is the case, they have little understanding of, or intrinsic interest in what they have.

On the car in question, it looks rather well executed, although given the inevitable six-figure price, I'd be picky in the extreme over details. I wouldn't likely say no though - although the chances of Mrs P saying yes in the near term are a bit limited... ;P
 

richiep

Club Member
Richie, I find it more sad and irritating that I'm an old bloke that's not rich....:D

JK
Hehe, well yes. :D

I'm just waiting for my corporate high-flyer other half to provide for my early retirement and car collecting fantasies!
 

Albrecht

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'collectors' and/or 'investors'... ugh. Well, perhaps unfair to collectors if they are genuine enthusiasts who actually use the cars they collect, but, in general, I find the idea of old rich blokes buying cars to sit around as part of an investment portfolio to be sad and irritating. Especially when, as often is the case, they have little understanding of, or intrinsic interest in what they have.

Generally speaking, I share your dislike of 'portfolio' type investing. But I don't think it is fair to tar them all with the same brush and I'd prefer to take them on a case-by-case basis. I agree that it would be nice if they actually coveted, researched and fully understood some of the cars they own. Sometimes that seems not to be the case...

Somebody who owns a particular car doesn't have any obligation whatsoever to anyone else to "use" it, or to put it in front of people like me so that I can gawp at it. That's up to them. As long as they take care of them appropriately, it's none of my business.

Noted that this particular car is being described as a 'Datsun'. That's a pity. Its a Nissan. Emphatically, categorically, Nissan.
 

SeanDezart

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Somebody who owns a particular car doesn't have any obligation whatsoever to anyone else to "use" it, or to put it in front of people like me so that I can gawp at it. That's up to them. As long as they take care of them appropriately, it's none of my business.

'appropriately' is subjective though.....Firstly, the best way to 'take care' of a car is to use it !

Secondly,

I agree that it would be nice if they actually coveted, researched and fully understood some of the cars they own.
Its a Nissan. Emphatically, categorically, Nissan.

It would be nice also if they shared such a rare and sublime car ie allow it to be seen.
 

SeanDezart

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The homologated high-performance Datsun Fairlady Z432.

Manufactured as a factory special vehicle that exploded onto the market to catapult Nissans previous Z success in motorsport to new levels.


Surely Nissans' "previous Z motorsport success" was not yet or at best only beginning to happen when the Z432 appeared on the market ?

Is that 919 yellow ?

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....and would here be an appropriate place to ask why the dizzy-coil lead drapes across the front of the engine when the coil could easily have been fitted to the RHinner wing AND be in the perfect place for the wiring to pass direct to the steering column ?

Simply because the shell stampings were all made alike and for the majority of models using the L-gata with the dizzy on the LHside ,

If so, I'm surprised that Nissan didn't 'speciality' the PS30 a little more to reduce cable length etc....
 

Albrecht

Well-Known Forum User
Firstly, the best way to 'take care' of a car is to use it !

Not necessarily. Taking that to extreme, wear and tear on non-replaceable components will leave you with a Ship Of Theseus situation.

It would be nice also if they shared such a rare and sublime car ie allow it to be seen.

Totally up to the owner. I don't see any implied obligation for a privately-owned object to be paraded in front of the populace on demand.

Should I take the framed paintings, drawings and photos off the walls of my home and lay them on the pavement outside so that passers-by can 'share' them? Maybe open the front door and let them swan around at their leisure?
Pffft.
 

Albrecht

Well-Known Forum User
...And would here be an appropriate place to ask why the dizzy-coil lead drapes across the front of the engine when the coil could easily have been fitted to the RHinner wing AND be in the perfect place for the wiring to pass direct to the steering column ?

Simply because the shell stampings were all made alike and for the majority of models using the L-gata with the dizzy on the LHside ,

If so, I'm surprised that Nissan didn't 'speciality' the PS30 a little more to reduce cable length etc....

You'll be fighting a (customary) losing battle to try and 'prove' that the S30-series shells - at launch - had a strong bias to the L-gata engined versions. Quite clearly - if you actually know what you are looking at - the 'shells were cleverly designed and engineered to cater for both LHD and RHD variants, and L-gata and S20 variant powertrains and accessories. Many of the S20-specific requirements are staring you in the face on an L-gata equipped car. You probably haven't noticed many of them.

You ask about the coil and associated wiring, and suggest it is poorly sited on the S20-engined variant. Where would you have put it? The RH side of an S20 engine bay is pretty crowded, what with the distributor and HT leads, induction box, filter ducting, blow-by separator, alternator and regulator, fuel piping and filter, brake and clutch piping, steering rod etc etc. And you think the coil would go where, exactly?

You haven't mentioned the CDI ignitor and associated wiring, I notice. You'll probably need to 'remind' yourself of their location before going further.
 

Rob Gaskin

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Love it.

Wheels? The advert suggests that they are original fitment.
 
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Albrecht

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Wheels? The advert suggests that they are original fitment.

I think the advert script is just cut-and-paste from elsewhere, Rob. Doesn't tell us anything specific about this particular car.

The wheels seen on the car in the ad are not the original Kobe Seiko-manufactured magnesium '432 Mag' wheels that the car would have originally been fitted with. There are a few other immediately noticeable non-original features visible from the photos: Missing OEM air box and filter housing, non-OEM type electronic ignition, missing OEM vacuum damper, missing rubber trim from the bumpers, missing audio and electric antenna, non-OEM seatbelts, missing choke and hand throttle levers, missing coin tray, amongst others.

None of which is necessarily any kind of problem, but top sale prices tend to value originality in a rare car like this.
 

SeanDezart

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You'll be fighting a (customary) losing battle to try and 'prove' that the S30-series shells - at launch - had a strong bias to the L-gata engined versions. Quite clearly - if you actually know what you are looking at - the 'shells were cleverly designed and engineered to cater for both LHD and RHD variants, and L-gata and S20 variant powertrains and accessories. Many of the S20-specific requirements are staring you in the face on an L-gata equipped car. You probably haven't noticed many of them.

You ask about the coil and associated wiring, and suggest it is poorly sited on the S20-engined variant. Where would you have put it? The RH side of an S20 engine bay is pretty crowded, what with the distributor and HT leads, induction box, filter ducting, blow-by separator, alternator and regulator, fuel piping and filter, brake and clutch piping, steering rod etc etc. And you think the coil would go where, exactly?

You haven't mentioned the CDI ignitor and associated wiring, I notice. You'll probably need to 'remind' yourself of their location before going further.

I'm not trying to 'prove' anything Alan - I'm asking.

I have learnt and accepted some time ago that that the shells show S20-specific requirements and were conceived both both-handed markets, thanks to you, although be careful you don't add ammunition to the Mr Becks of the Z world with this phrase :

"shells were cleverly designed and engineered to cater for both LHD and RHD"

Coil where ? In place of the inspection lamp which would be better placed on the LH inner wing to keep the 'inspecter' away and off from the road.....on a RHDrive car - a lot safer and more sensible.

The lamps' actual position is ideal for LHD motorists so I'm not complaining but as ironic as all the space around and easy access to the engines' accessories - well-maintained S30s very, very rarely breakdown !
 

Albrecht

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I'm not trying to 'prove' anything Alan - I'm asking.

No, you made an assertion:

...because the shell stampings were all made alike and for the majority of models using the L-gata with the dizzy on the LHside

Your take is, by definition, after the fact. You're citing production quantities as retrospective proof of design detail. It doesn't work like that.

There are - naturally - examples of design concession all over these cars. I would suggest the coil position worked equally well for all variants, but you seem to be just as interested to cite the inspection lamp position as being LHD-biased? Maybe you should have a peep to remind yourself of the hood prop position? See what I mean? Design concession everywhere.
 

Albrecht

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Decent " opening " price.

No, I think it will be a LOT more than that.

Check out the current asking prices for good, early PS30s in Japan: They are usually north of 150k GBP with several examples having changed hands last year for 170K + GBP, and there are at least two I know of for sale there that are north of 200k GBP.
 
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