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Old 21-09-2017, 10:13 PM
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Thanks Ritchie.

I was concerned that they were going to question whether a vehicle was no longer historic if it was substantially different from original and if so no longer classed as historic and hence lose the plates and then a road fund tax would apply on a Q plate.
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Old 21-09-2017, 10:19 PM
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At present, the tax is totally separate from this change. You'll still be tax exempt even if you've modded the car. The issue will be you will still have to have an MOT instead of being exempt. The problem will come in the form of the final wording of their definition of 'substantially changed' and what they do with the database of info on modded cars they build as a result. Reading up on the 8 point rule might be advised just in case. You can go quite far but if they find you've been chopping the monocoque about - that's your ticket to BIVA and Q plates potentially. Suddenly ZG flares might be a liability. RHD conversions are skirting close to danger but can be done pretty discretely without any real structural chopping as per Johny's 280Z in the other thread. These are the kinds of thing that need to be strategised about and covered for if the final document is harsh.
I'd be worried cut out arches to fit arch extensions like a lot of cars on here would tick the 5 point box. Thoughts?
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Old 21-09-2017, 10:49 PM
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I think it's the kind of thing you wouldn't want inspected. Whether an argument could be made that it was in keeping with manufacturer intentions though, by way of the evidence of the 432 and 240ZGs and the arches being available as official sports option parts - well, that might be an angle of attack should it come into question.

It's given me pause for thought about cutting the arches on Dixie, which was planned. I'll be waiting to see how things play out in November and then in the run in to implementation in May. You can bet the Escort Mk1 guys will be screaming to high heaven given the potential issue over bubble arches!

In reality, I think the powers that be are in for a bit of a headache along with owners...
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Old 21-09-2017, 10:58 PM
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At present, the tax is totally separate from this change. You'll still be tax exempt even if you've modded the car. The issue will be you will still have to have an MOT instead of being exempt. The problem will come in the form of the final wording of their definition of 'substantially changed' and what they do with the database of info on modded cars they build as a result. Reading up on the 8 point rule might be advised just in case. You can go quite far but if they find you've been chopping the monocoque about - that's your ticket to BIVA and Q plates potentially. Suddenly ZG flares might be a liability. RHD conversions are skirting close to danger but can be done pretty discretely without any real structural chopping as per Johny's 280Z in the other thread. These are the kinds of thing that need to be strategised about and covered for if the final document is harsh.
If its period modified they've no way to tell if its a post 1988 mod. As discussed, anything thats period optional etc?
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Old 21-09-2017, 10:59 PM
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Just to add, it seems the British love a 'storm in a tea cup'. Something to worry about etc. I just don't think its worth worrying about.
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Old 22-09-2017, 12:02 AM
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Just to add, it seems the British love a 'storm in a tea cup'. Something to worry about etc. I just don't think its worth worrying about.
Let's hope so.
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Old 22-09-2017, 08:47 AM
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It's a shame that all the guys with a sunroof, alloys and big front spoiler are going to lose free tax and get a Q plate.
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Old 22-09-2017, 11:26 AM
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Thanks god mine is standard. And if I take until next May to do what I'm doing to it - it won't even need an MOT to be registered ... superb.
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Old 22-09-2017, 06:45 PM
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It's a shame that all the guys with a sunroof, alloys and big front spoiler are going to lose free tax and get a Q plate.
Thats me f~*%ed then

dont forget the LHD to RHD conversion's
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Old 22-09-2017, 07:04 PM
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What about the current project's that are on a sorn there should be an initial mot check or there will be a flood of unsafe cars that are not fit for the road and made to look good and unsafe. Mine is getting rust cut out and welded. What is stopping me from patching and painting looks good till the tension rod mounts part from frame rails which need replacing.
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Old 22-09-2017, 07:11 PM
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Vast over-reaction from people I think on this unsafe car thing ...
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Old 22-09-2017, 07:47 PM
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Interestingly, I've read a post today on RodsNSods that throws a bit of light and sense on the whole thing. The quote is from a guy who is involved with the NSRA (National Street Rod Association for the uninitiated) and has been directly involved in aspects of this process since the initial EU directive several years ago...


"After many phone calls PM and Emails I understand why people are getting so upset about the MOT legislation changes.

Everyone is worried about 'substantial changes ' being only 15% power to weight change .


This is NOT Radically altered as shown in DVLA system.


This change is PURELY for MOT purposes and is NOTHING to do DVLA identity issues.


The last changes to DVLA inspection issues were 12 years ago and done by Public Consultation.


I was asked at that time to try and create a Street Rod class.

Having followed informed and advised since the inception of this 'Roadworthiness' document in EU Parliament it has ALWAYS been made clear that any definition of VHI was ONLY for the purposes of MOT NOT identity.

I could go off and find the documentation to prove this but if you chose not to believe that's fine by me ,carry on panicing.

Again I have broken my promise to myself to not post on any public media .

I have only done this to try to bring some clarity."

SO:
The key points:
- this exercise is NOT related to tax and identity (and therefore the 8-point rule and Q plate issues). It is purely about eligibility for MOT exemption or not.
- Vehicle of Historic Interest is a term purely for defining what is MOT exempt. It is different from the Historic tax class. You can be tax exempt and need an MOT because you have mods.
- this will not force anyone with mods into the BIVA process, even if technically they should due to degree of mods. It's not directly connected to it. Which is in the DVLA's interests because there would be chaos if they tried it. The system couldn't take it.

Basically, if the above is correct, storm in a teacup. We aren't all going to be getting BIVAs and Q plates, etc. It's just some of our cars will still need MOTs, some won't. Which I'm fine with tbh.
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Old 22-09-2017, 07:56 PM
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...........It's just some of our cars will still need MOTs, some won't. Which I'm fine with tbh.
So how do they decide pratically?
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Old 22-09-2017, 08:02 PM
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out of curiosity what will happen then when your car becomes MOT exempt?
do you get notified of not needing one any more or something?
just wondered as the database the police use would surely flag up these cars as not having MOT?
how would you check it?
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Old 22-09-2017, 08:04 PM
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You'll be asked when re-taxing online. If you check the 'modified' box, they'll require a valid MOT to let you complete the tax process. If you lie, there's the possibility they'll get you through cross-reference with the insurance database, where mods are usually declared. And you'll be in deep sh*t if you get pulled over at a DVSA (VOSA) checkpoint for roadside checks. You might see DVSA checks targeting classic and sports events to target MOT exemption fraud...
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