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Old 15-09-2017, 08:36 PM
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Hmmmm.... apart from it being a stupid idea I smell a rat...

Yes, a lot of classic owners know their cars inside out but would they all spot a potentially dangerous situation developing? And how many either don't know or don't bother to check?

How many fatal accidents will it take before xyz Government says "all classics must be dangerous and they're unkind to polar bears and they're modified in an unsafe manner so we're banning the lot"?
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Old 15-09-2017, 08:41 PM
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Do folks realize that MoT exemption is already in place for pre-1960 cars?

http://www.classicandsportscar.com/n...-1960-classics
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Old 15-09-2017, 10:00 PM
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Do folks realize that MoT exemption is already in place for pre-1960 cars?

http://www.classicandsportscar.com/n...-1960-classics

Exactly Rob. This is just an extension of an existing rule.

As far as modifications go, does any one seriously think the DVLA are going to start checking individual cars? That's not going to happen. So the MOT man will get the job of checking your car is safe as normal.
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Old 15-09-2017, 10:36 PM
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Hmmmm.... apart from it being a stupid idea I smell a rat...

Yes, a lot of classic owners know their cars inside out but would they all spot a potentially dangerous situation developing? And how many either don't know or don't bother to check?

How many fatal accidents will it take before xyz Government says "all classics must be dangerous and they're unkind to polar bears and they're modified in an unsafe manner so we're banning the lot"?
Although I'm sure not all owners are the same I'm very confident that I'd more likely spot something wrong with my car if it were developing than a local MOT tester would - most of them are useless.
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Old 15-09-2017, 10:57 PM
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surely your insurance requires a valid MOT certificate as a basic requirement to be able to insure you?
i cant see any insurance company paying out if in the event of an accident if the car hadn't been tested for safeties sake.
like many people have allready stated, im not concerned about car enthusiasts, but i am worried about people who wanna drive a classic and not have to pay for tax and mot who also wont look after the car (you know the sort of people who take cars to garages when it starts making a noise).
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Old 15-09-2017, 11:02 PM
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Tony's point about eventually banning older cars is valid and so is Jimbo's re insurance.

Rich - I wonder if the classic car trade will come out and support modified cars - that aint their business is it !
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Old 15-09-2017, 11:47 PM
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It will still be an offence to drive a dangerous and defective vehicle on the Queen's highway ... so if you have an old car with unsafe steering and a wing falling off with jagged edges you'll still get done for it - and rightly so.
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Old 16-09-2017, 12:29 AM
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It will still be an offence to drive a dangerous and defective vehicle on the Queen's highway ... so if you have an old car with unsafe steering and a wing falling off with jagged edges you'll still get done for it - and rightly so.
trouble is most would only get picked up in the event of an accident when its too late.
at least with an mot you cant go any further with the vehicle unless you fix it as any responsible owner would do
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But an MOT only covers that vehicle on the day of testing as we know. You legally need an MOT to drive on the road and be insured. When you don't legally need one, it won't be a requirement of your insurance that you have one I would think ...

There are plenty of cars five years old with many more 000's of miles on the road than our old classics that are in a far worse state mechanically - they're the ones to worry about. Just cos ours are old, doesn't mean they are any worse - they just don't get used as often, and so consequently don't do many miles - like most classics.

I think on balance, it's a bit of red tape we can do without ... well I can.
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Old 16-09-2017, 07:20 AM
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Watch out for Q plates!
Read through this from another forum...
http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/vie...hp?f=1&t=60818
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Old 16-09-2017, 08:10 AM
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When you don't legally need one, it won't be a requirement of your insurance that you have one I would think ...

Just cos ours are old, doesn't mean they are any worse - they just don't get used as often, and so consequently don't do many miles - like most classics.
So the insurance should be a lot less - less mileage, less chance of an accident and being a classic, one will be more careful anyway....in theory.

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It will still be an offence to drive a dangerous and defective vehicle on the Queen's highway .
Is a modified car with +15% dangerous in the eyse of the law ?
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Old 16-09-2017, 09:32 AM
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So the insurance should be a lot less - less mileage, less chance of an accident and being a classic, one will be more careful anyway....in theory.

...............
Mine is less than say a 370Z I used to own.
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Old 16-09-2017, 09:43 AM
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And I pay £55 a year (3rd TPFT and glass cover) for mine.
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Okay, so this states that it is based on 15% increase on power to weight ratio.

So............

Mine is , 260z 2+2 at original weight of 1200kg and 162 bhp
The L28 engine is 9 kg heavier = now 1209 kg ( i assume that I was 10 stone in the 70's and 17 stone now does not come into the power to weight calculation)

162 bhp / 1200 kg = 0.135 + 15%= 0.15525 x 1209 = 187.9 target bhp

If I was to install a roll cage does this mean that I could have more BHP due to the weight of the cage?

If I am above 187.9 bhp I would require an MOT.


Would this need a MOT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNM9HWjp9fQ

How will the police determine the BHP if the MOT is not done? I assume that as long as you do not have a RB swap you should be okay?

This appears to be an EU Directive, as we are still in the EU (at least for now) then Westminster have no option but to accept this. The EU directive is for 30 year old cars not just 40 year olds.

What happens to Z cars coming into the UK as it stands, I assume they are currently except from MOT testing in the original country (EU), and then when entering the UK also except, but then given 6 months or so to pass the MOT?

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Old 16-09-2017, 04:37 PM
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I shall carry on MOT ing as per.

I think this rule is absolute madness, The unscrupulous will be dragging cars out of hedges and driving them and worse selling them

I know my cars very well but am always keen come MOT time. Just last week I took my E Type and found the bottom ball joints were lose

It's good practice and good for the history to keep getting it MOT'd
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