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Old 18-12-2017, 10:32 AM
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Ebay awash with LHD Zeds

I often just type in Datsun on ebay to see what turns up.

Today there are 15 LHD S30s, 1 LHD 280ZX and 1 RHD 260 2+2.

Many have been hanging around for a long time.

Of course most of you know this.

So is it the asking price, the LHD configuration, the fact that a lot are 280s or the condition that is the problem.

If a RHD 240/260 2 seater comes on ebay they don't usually last long (no matter what condition) unless they are way over-priced.

I still think LHD is a major problem in the UK so all these cars that are being imported will suffer as far as investment goes. However as far as ownership goes they are good cars.

The market for complete RHD conversion kits or 'Conversion Specialists' is there I'm sure. Along with trim parts - door cards, seats etc.

When I first joined the Z Club all people wanted was performance upgrades - a LHD car was a rarity.

We seem to have gone the same way as the British Classic Sports Car - import from the US and retrim/respec. i.e. demand outstrips supply. However we are behind in remanufacture of parts, I suppose mainly due to scale but is that changing?
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Old 18-12-2017, 11:07 AM
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Ignoring this one

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kgfcla...24596056/page2

Which I think is lovely, there's a lot of **** on ebay. There's plenty to look at from Europe and good ones aren't struggling to sell for strong money.

A lot of importers are jumping on the bandwagon and expecting to take bottom market cars from the states and turn a quick profit here. Seems that we're getting wise to it now and people are rightly being picky. 280z's seem to be popular to bring across now also.
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Old 18-12-2017, 12:01 PM
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Ignoring this one

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kgfcla...24596056/page2

Which I think is lovely, ..................
But even that 'franky' has not sold after about 3 years of being advertised.

I would have thought it would sell abroad.
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Old 18-12-2017, 12:24 PM
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But even that 'franky' has not sold after about 3 years of being advertised.

I would have thought it would sell abroad.
Didn’t realise it’s been for sale for 3 years? It needs to be advertised elsewhere.

On the other side your samurai took 18 months to sell, Leo’s turbo about 2 years, that black rhd one 3?

All depends on where they’re advertised I guess? We do seem to have a surplus of Rubbish on eBay.
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Old 18-12-2017, 12:54 PM
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Didn’t realise it’s been for sale for 3 years? It needs to be advertised elsewhere......
I think it started off at JD Classics. Chrisvega had it before then - am I right Chris, when was that?

It's been in a few magazines 'franky' including Classic Car Weekly. It's on Pistonheads now.

I can't possibly comment about my Sam.
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Old 18-12-2017, 12:56 PM
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So it has sold between dealers? Just stating like with your samurai, some cars seem to take an age.

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Old 18-12-2017, 01:03 PM
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I wonder if it's got anything to do with the visibility of the marque. People don't seem to have any issue driving LHD mustangs or Porsches.
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Old 18-12-2017, 01:14 PM
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I wonder if it's got anything to do with the visibility of the marque. People don't seem to have any issue driving LHD mustangs or Porsches.

I don’t think lhd is the problem, just the lack of quality!
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Old 18-12-2017, 04:05 PM
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I don’t think lhd is the problem, just the lack of quality!
I’ve got to say I completely agree with Franky, whilst this topic gets endlessly revisited I generally think that those who ‘bash’ the LHD cars are those who own and drive RHD cars.

To a certain extent it will influence people different ways, that being said I would imagine that the vast majority will buy based on condition over which side the steering wheel falls on. I don’t think any of the generic cars that come up on ebay are particularly appealing, most of the imports appear to be people buying something cheap which they’re looking to flip and make a quick profit. The cars that are generally more appealing are the long term owned cars where the custodian has likely invested and looked after the vehicle making it a more appealing purchase.

I purchased my car from the US for the exact reason that there was a far greater market with more selection, I simply couldn’t find what I wanted in the UK. The ‘good’ cars generally seem to be enthusiast owned, not for sale or if they are then they are priced accordingly at the top of the market and don’t hang about long. LHD also opens up potential to the European market, and I don’ see why they would bother with some of the poor condition overpriced cars listed on UK ebay when fresher cars and available from import directly from the US.

At the end of the day it’s a numbers game and there were lots more LHD cars manufactured, makes sense there should be more around when we look at the statistics.

I personally wasn’t bothered at all which side of the steering wheel was on when I came to purchase, I’d quite happily pay more for a good LHD car over a bad RHD car. I do get the impression some people want there to be this slight divide in terms of market value due to which side a steering wheel sits on. Still not sure why though….

It’s a good job that ultimately none of this really matters and it all comes down to opinion and how much anyone is willing to pay.
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Old 18-12-2017, 04:08 PM
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Lack of sensible pricing in relation to condition is the problem with most of those cars on eBay.
Why bring in cars that are anything less than 95% rust free ?
There are plenty of genuine rust free (or almost) left in the States.
It is false economy to buy on low frontline price when cost of remedial metalwork is higher than buying a better more rust free car in the first place.

Value is the key, not price and most of those cars on eBay are not good value.

I have sold a large number of lhd 240/260/280Z cars over the last few years because decent quality cars will always sell at the right (fair) price.

The red 240Z that Franky referenced I imported early in 2014 from memory and it has been at various dealers and auctions for most of the intervening time since I sold it. I believe it was recently sold post auction after failing to reach reserve by auctioneers at a sum of less than £ 20k which I reckon was a good buy.
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Old 18-12-2017, 06:10 PM
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I’ve got to say I completely agree with Franky, whilst this topic gets endlessly revisited I generally think that those who ‘bash’ the LHD cars are those who own and drive RHD cars.
A recent UK orange Z sale gave us over here another clean and beautiful LHD Z. Just keep 'em coming but not the 'tat' that's is up on ebay plus a yellow and another white one which were bought over here and seriously marked up for some sucker !
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Old 18-12-2017, 06:41 PM
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I am intending (time permitting) to go see the 1971 red car - £3k now lopped off the price I see now ...

It looks fantastic in the pics and I'm sure in the flesh it is probably just as good. I bought a LHD one because to me having driven Mustangs for years, it makes no huge difference which side the wheel is on. If I had a choice between two identical cars and one was LHD and one RHD and they were the same price then of course the RHD would win but that isn't going to happen ...

There is quite a bit of tat on ebay and it isn't selling from what I can see. There seemed to be a brief surge in prices but those for something wanting a good deal of work hasn't changed ...
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Old 18-12-2017, 07:01 PM
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I’ve got to say I completely agree with Franky, whilst this topic gets endlessly revisited I generally think that those who ‘bash’ the LHD cars are those who own and drive RHD cars.
Nail. Head.

While i'd go for a rhd car over lhd car if it was the same price/condition/spec, it just won't happen. However it seems we have good access to **** cars in this country, both lhd and rhd. Some of the better rhd ones started off as lhd cars.

I do understand that some people want to protect the perceived value of a RHD car though....
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Old 18-12-2017, 07:05 PM
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I’ve had lots of cars, past and present, and I have never owned a LHD car and doubt I ever will. I can imagine at least half the potential z buyers out there think like me which will drive a real difference in how easily they sell.

If a car was never available in rhd, I could be tempted (e30 m3 etc) but if there is a proper rhd version of said car I would never drop my money on a lhd car to be used in the uk.

If you agree with me or not is irrelevant, what is relevant is that other buyers out there will think the same.
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Old 18-12-2017, 07:18 PM
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And that is why they're less money Madda ...

... but Europe is a mere 22 miles away where they ALL drive on the wrong side!
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