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Old 14-12-2017, 12:26 PM
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Is the MZR going to become the new SAMURI ?
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I don't think they're remotely similar fish. They want to be the new Singer.
Yes, but being compared because they are modifying S30s and selling them as a 'brand' I think.

I don't know anything about Singers except the old English cars.
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Old 14-12-2017, 01:44 PM
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Rob. Watch this video and it will help you understand the comparison between MZR and Singer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJQ4hQSusjE
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Old 14-12-2017, 03:03 PM
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Rob. Watch this video and it will help you understand the comparison between MZR and Singer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJQ4hQSusjE
Great video - MZR need to publish something similar but who was the bod with the crash helmet on really ragging it on the circuit ?

1x difference explained early on - Singer will sell packages to cars outside of their workshop.

1x theory that MZR are disputing : "(the 911) is THE only potentiel car to have in your garage, your collection...."

The Singer (when I listen to the woner's description in that video) is a can-do-all car, if you only have one classic car in your garage - this is the one for it'll do commutes, tracks, shopping and social runs.

For MZR to compete directly with that, they'd have to redesign the 2+2 Zs' roofline !

So, this is back-dating ? Taking a modern car and making it look/feel older.

But MZR is taking a old car and making it feel younger...non, whilst adding a bit of age into the interior to balance the books ?
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Old 14-12-2017, 03:17 PM
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Rob. Watch this video and it will help you understand the comparison between MZR and Singer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJQ4hQSusjE
Thanks Matt, yes I enjoyed that but the car is bonkers - way way over the top. Wonderful engineering but if you 'throw' that much money at it ......

If MZR are after that type of customer then they are doing a good job but IMO (yes mine) people won't spent fortunes on a Datsun so they need to be careful - which I'm sure they are.

I have tended to be at the other end of the spectrum - spend the minimum for the result. Most of the Singer is want rather than need.

I want that rally Datsun but I don't need it - Human Failure!

As I have agreed the MZR Datsuns can enhance the perception of Joe Public about Datsuns - they are 'coming around' to them.
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Old 14-12-2017, 03:43 PM
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Rob your statement of taking a modern car and making it feel older.the car that does that and has a z handling feel is a BMW Z4 coupe you can feel the old school feel in its handling and steering.sticks like the perferbial to a blanket,one of the best balanced cars out there,might get meself an m3 coupe,going for serious money now
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I don't think MZR are trying to enhance the perception of Datsun's. The people who are buying MZR's are not buying Datsun's. They are buying the iconic 240z. I love other Datsun's but believe the 240z is the iconic and people with money do want them.
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Old 14-12-2017, 04:33 PM
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I don't think MZR are trying to enhance the perception of Datsun's. The people who are buying MZR's are not buying Datsun's. They are buying the iconic 240z. I love other Datsun's but believe the 240z is the iconic and people with money do want them.
Hmmm, I'd love Rahail's take on all this. I believe he is trying to enhance the public's perception of Datsun 240Zs.....and he has his own reasons for doing so.

The 240Z IS a Datsun. Agreed it is iconic here and it is the only export S30 people aspire to (have to be soo careful of the terminology nowadays ).
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Old 14-12-2017, 05:13 PM
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I saw these MZR cars at the NEC, I must admit that they're stunning, the work that has gone in to them is fantastic and I believe they bring a good bit of publicity to the old Datsuns. Yes I get it they're not original and to a lot of people an 80k price tag would be somewhat eye watering but I also agree with the sentiment above that these cars are aimed at people who want an iconic 240z not a Datsun (desipte it being a Datsun of course). Personally if I had 80k I don't think I'd buy one as I feel they're a bit too far removed from the original spec but I can 100% appreciate the work gone in to them.
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Old 14-12-2017, 05:22 PM
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I think the Singer analogy works well - I only really want one because it's that classic 911 shape and it doesn't particularly raise the status of classic Porsches to me (they do that on their own).

I get the impression MZR would build a car for a customer to whatever spec / level of originality they want provided they were willing to pay for it. If I had the cash to pay someone else to build me a restmod 240z - they look like they'd do a great job.
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Personally if I had 80k I don't think I'd buy one as I feel they're a bit too far removed from the original spec but I can 100% appreciate the work gone in to them.
So taking that personal view and adding into it that most here, although admiring the MZRs, wouldn't pay that for one of them.....what Z would induce you to pay +£80k on a Z in a forchette of £80-100k ?

Alan has already dashed some hopes with estimated works cars values similar to those quoted by JDClassics.....so, what is left ?
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The 240Z IS a Datsun.
The 240Z IS a Nissan.
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Old 14-12-2017, 06:58 PM
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I get the impression MZR would build a car for a customer to whatever spec / level of originality they want provided they were willing to pay for it........
I wonder if we'll see a 110 Red and Rootes Bronze version with a big front spoiler?

Joking apart if they could get (buy) agreement from Spike it could be a money spinner.

It's been done with the Mini Cooper, Fiat 500 Abarth, Ford GT and come to think of it recently with the Samuri.
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Old 14-12-2017, 07:03 PM
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So taking that personal view and adding into it that most here, although admiring the MZRs, wouldn't pay that for one of them.....what Z would induce you to pay +£80k on a Z in a forchette of £80-100k ?

Alan has already dashed some hopes with estimated works cars values similar to those quoted by JDClassics.....so, what is left ?
I think ultimately we're talking a few years down the line but that sort of money is going to be reserved for examples as close to original as possible.
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Old 14-12-2017, 07:22 PM
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I wonder if we'll see a 110 Red and Rootes Bronze version with a big front spoiler?

Joking apart if they could get (buy) agreement from Spike it could be a money spinner.

It's been done with the Mini Cooper, Fiat 500 Abarth, Ford GT and come to think of it recently with the Samuri.
There's a hundred potential jokes in that, but it's my turn to cook dinner tonight and I'll just have to say...

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The 240Z IS a Nissan.
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