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Old 02-10-2017, 01:37 PM
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At some point, cost must also become a factor - purchase*, shipping and customs.

*those that come up in auctions you have previously stated can be dogs so needs to be a referred and confirmed good quality purchase.
Obviously it's the high average values in Japan that are the key point in preventing them being a potential source - exacerbated by the current exchange rate. There are a lot - and I mean a lot - more S30-series Zs still extant in Japan than in any other original RHD market (and probably more than all the original RHD markets combined), and a real lot of good ones, and in my opinion - all things being equal - an original RHD car should probably be worth more in terms of insurance valuation/re-sale value than an LHD car converted to RHD. And you can end up spending a lot on properly converting an LHD car to RHD if you do it properly, and/or you pay to have it done professionally.

Caveat: Individual cases should be viewed on a case-by-case basis...
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Old 02-10-2017, 02:34 PM
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a) not to be confused with S31s that we frequently see leaving the Star Road etc workshops - very nice cars.

b) My opinion differs from yours in that I don't believe a damp-environment S30 can compare to a dry-state car converted-to RHD. All things being equal is easy to say but not (imho) realistic and so irrelevant in this discussion. Some 'dry' cars have been imported from SA and Aus but I haven't seen them at higher prices than some clean conversions. I think the market judges a car upon it's overall condition and then wot's it got mister spec level...no further ! There might even be some reverse scepticism against anything but an original UK market car which obviously includes conversions.

b-bis) we've heard a similar thing here that My Y's 240Z is worth more than Mr X's because Y's is an original French market car.....yet it remains unsold whilst buyers look for clean USA imports...obviously a cost factor here and we're talking €10k difference but with the following to add on top : paint, interior, uprated to at least euro spec mechanics.

Restoring a RHD import might prove costly too - no ?

Case by case - agreed
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Largest RHD market? Japan.

If you really *must* have an original RHD S30-series Z, at some point Japan becomes a potential source.
Alan, what would a guide price be for a good useable car from Japan?
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Old 02-10-2017, 03:05 PM
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a) not to be confused with S31s that we frequently see leaving the Star Road etc workshops - very nice cars.
Most of the Star Road 'show' cars are (very much...) not to my taste, and I think will date very quickly indeed. Modern design applied to 40+ year old cars with little reference to historical precedent usually has a limited shelf life.

But what's wrong with an S31? If we are including late production north American market RLS30 '260Z' and HLS30 '280Z' models which are being modified to look older (especially with Federal bumper deletes) then the equivalent period Japanese market S31 models qualify as potential starting points, with a number of great advantages.

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b) My opinion differs from yours in that I don't believe a damp-environment S30 can compare to a dry-state car converted-to RHD. All things being equal is easy to say but not (imho) realistic and so irrelevant in this discussion.
As the owner of a 4/70 production "dry state" (California) HLS30U project car, I'd have to point out that they sometimes need a fair amount of rectification. UV damage and ossification of plastics/rubbers, jack damage (those are floor supports, not chassis rails!), light accident damage and years of make-do-and-mend style maintenance are all factors in the typical car bought as a resto project, and prices are going UP too.

The great majority of Japanese market cars have been through years of very strict roadworthiness testing - the Japanese 'shakken' being far stricter than an MOT test - and are therefore in very sound nick. Judging them all by the cheapest stuff going through the bulk auctions in Japan is mistaken.

IF (and it's a big if at this point) the Japanese Yen devalued and Sterling strengthened somewhat then the possibility of buying some very good cars from Japan would start to become a little more feasible, and could be weighed up realistically against the cost of embarking on an LHD-based resto/conversion/custom.
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Old 02-10-2017, 03:15 PM
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Alan, what would a guide price be for a good useable car from Japan?
Hard to say just how long that string is, but you can buy a good mid-production (say 1974/5) Fairlady Z-L, already lightly modified to current tastes, for about 4 million JPY if you keep tabs on the market.

That's less than 30k GBP for an original RHD market car with a 5-speed, a decent diff ratio, suitable suspension and steering and - quite often - a bit of extra engine pep already done. It will usually be wearing a decent set of wheels and tyres and might well have uprated brakes too.
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Old 02-10-2017, 03:24 PM
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Random example: http://www.japan-vintage.com/stockli...7345&stci=1400

Well known classic-specialist dealer, car about 25k GBP. Pay more and you can get much better of course, but there are a great many cars like this is Japan.
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Old 02-10-2017, 03:25 PM
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Hard to say just how long that string is, but you can buy a good mid-production (say 1974/5) Fairlady Z-L, already lightly modified to current tastes, for about 4 million JPY if you keep tabs on the market.

That's less than 30k GBP for an original RHD market car with a 5-speed, a decent diff ratio, suitable suspension and steering and - quite often - a bit of extra engine pep already done. It will usually be wearing a decent set of wheels and tyres and might well have uprated brakes too.
Yes sorry, I did think it was vague but you've hit the nail on the head in terms of spec/condition.

Have you a link to a car you think would fit this requirement? I think that's the route i'd go if looking. You also get the 'cool factor' of having a genuine fairlady then also.
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