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Old 02-08-2017, 03:52 PM
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May I ask the stupid question pelase ? Sorry, two :

Why haven't the HLS30 (non NA market) cars the suffix '-U' ? What differs the HS30-U (aside from the wheel on the 'wrong' side) from from the HLS30 ?
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Why haven't the HLS30 (non NA market) cars the suffix '-U' ?
Because they are completely different models for different markets. For a start: Different engine settings (emissions eqpt...), different suspension settings, different transmissions, differential ratio, steering rack ratio, front ARB thicker, rear ARB present etc etc in comparison to USA & Canada versions.

Clearly quite different.

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What differs the HS30-U (aside from the wheel on the 'wrong' side) from from the HLS30 ?
A lot less than the HLS30-U vs HLS30 differences. The main one being - as you have guessed - LHD vs RHD.


You can find most of this stuff in the relevant factory literature. Example, the UK market FSM for the '260Z':

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Old 02-08-2017, 04:11 PM
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Sean - I will put the 903 blue, I guess the same as the presentation in Tokyo 69. My wife really love the colour, but I don't like very much...really!!!

Albrecht - I read in a book, I'll search for it late at night, that mention that the "U" means equipment beyond the series, I really don't remember the book´s name, and in here perhaps was added special equipment to launch the car. But here in Portugal all Z's have this std specs. The literature on the model here in Portugal are only some normal papers used by nissan in europe, not any in Particular. They used the series advertises.

I have some, I'll put some.
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:18 PM
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Sean - The difference in equipment on the portuguese Z's are:

- Wheels - Kobe Seiko
- Rear spoiler
- wood steering wheel
- 5 speed gear box
- 151 hp
- no emissions controls

And the series of model with extras that are different from countries.

Later i'll put a series of images for you.
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:24 PM
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Thanks Alan - so 'U' only denotes RHD ?

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Sean - The difference in equipment on the portuguese Z's are:

- Wheels - Kobe Seiko
- Rear spoiler
- wood steering wheel
- 5 speed gear box
- 151 hp
- no emissions controls

And the series of model with extras that are different from countries.

Later i'll put a series of images for you.
The only differences between your list and cars imported here in France for example are the wheels and I still thought that most were imported fitted with PERSPEX light covers ?
Also, in France we didn't have white reversing lamps in the rear light units.
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Here are some advertises from Portugal





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I see German, Belgian and Canadien ads.....no vintage Portuguese ads ? Blokes carrying bags of cement and bricks in their boots ?
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:42 PM
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Sean - That's it...no portuguese advertises. ahahhahaha

I think they might save some money and used same models in europe!

I'll search in my database to see if I have some handed...
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Here some more...





Some portuguese specs



The production numbers
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Thanks Alan - so 'U' only denotes RHD ?
No. The meaning of the 'U' differed according to what it was paired with.

For example, an 'HLS30-U' is clearly not RHD. An 'HS30' and an 'HS30-U' are both RHD...

You'll find some people trying to assert that the 'U' in 'HLS30-U' stands for 'USA'. Clearly incorrect, as the 'HS30-U' will attest...
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Thanks Mário, it's really nice to see the Entreposto-specific advertising and literature.

I'm sorry but I honestly think the official 'Entreposto' Portuguese market-specific were not 'HLS30-U' sub-variant coded. Either Nissan classed them as special versions of the 'HLS30' and (later) 'HLS30-Q' variants, or they gave them a special suffix of their own.

I have photos of Sr. Jose Megre in Nissan Japan's works race & rally preparation workshops in Oppama. He was very well connected, and respected by Nissan Japan. I think Nissan saw Entreposto as another gateway into the potentially very large African market.

I was told in Japan that the Entreposto 240Zs had different suspension than the other Export market cars. Different struts and different springs. Perhaps - in reality - it was only after a certain date, and not all of the cars?
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Hi Mário,
Question: What was the full factory type code (including the suffix) of the official Portuguese market cars?

You say it was 'U' code above, but is that correct? Was there another letter before or after the 'U'?

North American market cars were 'HLS30-U' of course, with additional letters after the 'U' if denoting special sub-models for particular markets ('HLS30-UN', 'HLS30-UV' etc), and main 'European' market models were 'HLS30-Q' (UK market RHD cars were 'HS30-Q') so what was the full official code for the official Entreposto-imported Portuguese market 240Zs?

I really love the original Portuguese market cars. Great spec list. Good luck with the restoration!
Since I have never observed a North American 240Z with a "U" in the vehicle identification number stamped on the fire wall, am I correct in assuming that the "VIN" and "factory type code" are not the same number and are not interchangeable??
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No. The meaning of the 'U' differed according to what it was paired with.

For example, an 'HLS30-U' is clearly not RHD. An 'HS30' and an 'HS30-U' are both RHD...

You'll find some people trying to assert that the 'U' in 'HLS30-U' stands for 'USA'. Clearly incorrect, as the 'HS30-U' will attest...
So...I'm still trying to get my head around this....

HS30
HS30-U
HLS30-U


What differs the HS30-U (aside from the wheel on the 'wrong' side) from from the HLS30 ?
A lot less than the HLS30-U vs HLS30 differences. The main one being - as you have guessed - LHD vs RHD.

U is Europe only, so UK market cars would have been HS30-U ?
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