She May Have To Go

[Nidge74]

This economic climate is a nightmare for all of us.

I can only keep 2 vehicles at home, and I need to cut expenses which means the workshop has to go, ergo, cars have to go too.

[SeanDezart]

How much for the S12T then ?

[samuri-240]

Thank you for the comments & concern, yes it is down to the shite times we are having, the job I am stuck in at the moment pays little more than minimum wage, its not just that the main problem is the hassle & stress that goes with it, need to get away from this, the plan is to start over, set up my own business. Doing everything I can to avoid the sale of the z but if it comes to it she will have to go as a whole car or in bits, will know more in about 6 weeks time. Thanks guys .

[SeanDezart]

Right then deal with facts - have you had the car recently valued by Moggy ? The, place a few adverts asking for offers - see what the market thinks it's worth which may tip the balance into keeping or selling - no point selling just to scrape a miserly £10,000 together - that isn't going to make or break a business, that's just going to be the point where you throw good money after bad ! Get a proper loan and take serious advice from a good accountant beforehand.

Then there's the emotional side.........

Or move to France - what do you do, what can you do ?

[Rob Gaskin]

Just to add my thoughts - for what they are worth!

Running your own business in this day and age may be more stressful that your current job. Better to learn to deal with the aggro you have without getting stressed - very easy to say of course - stress is not good.

Working on a project and having an interest is a good way of dealing with stress - if you get rid of the Datsun you may suffer more, I'm being serious here!

Like Sean said you may not be able to 'realise' the amount of money you think from selling your pride and joy and then how would that affect you mentally.

Also don't rush into anything, situations can change. Look at Moggy he tried to sell his lovely 240 - I bet he's glad he didn't.

[datsun dave]

Originally Posted by samuri-240

Thank you for the comments & concern, yes it is down to the shite times we are having, the job I am stuck in at the moment pays little more than minimum wage, its not just that the main problem is the hassle & stress that goes with it, need to get away from this, the plan is to start over, set up my own business. Doing everything I can to avoid the sale of the z but if it comes to it she will have to go as a whole car or in bits, will know more in about 6 weeks time. Thanks guys .

Any help i can give you setting up your business give me a shout.

Here to help out a mate.

[Zed-the-red]

I am sorry to hear about your situation I hope that all turns out well. I have been there and done it. Still struggling on a daily basis not knowing where the next sale is coming from.
Have a little faith I have found over the years that one door closes and another opens.. Sometimes you have to barge your way in through the door to get where you want to be.
I am sure even if we are offering just passive support. It is nice that you have a forum that you can get your emotions 'out' and at least be able to talk to others.

Best of Luck

[samuri-240]

Originally Posted by SeanDezart

Right then deal with facts - have you had the car recently valued by Moggy ? The, place a few adverts asking for offers - see what the market thinks it's worth which may tip the balance into keeping or selling - no point selling just to scrape a miserly £10,000 together - that isn't going to make or break a business, that's just going to be the point where you throw good money after bad ! Get a proper loan and take serious advice from a good accountant beforehand.

Then there's the emotional side.........

Or move to France - what do you do, what can you do ?

Cheers Sean, the thing is I do not like dept of any kind never have done, yes the emotional side is what hurts, its only a car at the end of the day isn't it ? NO its a Z . Your right I know I would always regret it if I sold this one & 10k is peanuts these days. The business we are looking at is interiors, kitchens, bedrooms, bathrooms etc the whole service start to finish, to a very high standard, my partner is top of the league in this game. It is truely amazing how generous & caring Z owners are, the offers of help & support has touched me deeply, a big thank you to everyone. Just been offered to have the van signed up foc also cheers Dave.

[samuri-240]

Originally Posted by Rob Gaskin

Just to add my thoughts - for what they are worth!

Running your own business in this day and age may be more stressful that your current job. Better to learn to deal with the aggro you have without getting stressed - very easy to say of course - stress is not good.

Working on a project and having an interest is a good way of dealing with stress - if you get rid of the Datsun you may suffer more, I'm being serious here!

Like Sean said you may not be able to 'realise' the amount of money you think from selling your pride and joy and then how would that affect you mentally.

Also don't rush into anything, situations can change. Look at Moggy he tried to sell his lovely 240 - I'm bet he's glad he didn't.

Very wise words indeed Rob, this venture has been on my mind for 2 years now so it has to happen, the only things I do not want too put at risk is my marriage & home. Also see where you are coming from about the Z it is just something that keeps you going.

[rahail240]

gywn mate.
is now the right time to get involved in high end kitchens, interiors etc?
the answer is i honestly don't know.
the family business is the property game in all aspects of the trade.

on one hand, as well you know, some are on on there arse and have no money to spend. so no money spent on anything other than surviving.
on the other hand there is money, and i have to say quite a lot, still out there.
one of my best friends owns a high end prestige car showroom.
seriously he's never been as busy. and its the case with all decent used car sales.
why?
because the less people buying new cars the more buy used ones.
it 'could' be the same in your game. not many buying new homes, so 'maybe'
plenty wanting to upgrade and staying put.
i hope whatever you decide on is the right choice mate and with that comes sucess.

[surreyseagull]

i hope you decide whats right for you mate.just this week we was told 2 of our depots are closeing down.good news for our depot whol get extra work bad for the the two closeing though.a bit selfish but its made me more secure.maybe better to grit your teeth and bear through next few months?.whatever you decide good luck mate.and if you can keep your z all the better.

[ollyc]

Mate I hate to give a life tale but here is mine, I really would not advise you to go down this route at the moment and this climate if your job is at all stable please even if it's scrapping poo off a bin lid keep it! Trying to get a job now is a nightmare for skilled and qualified.
After my old man was killed in 2007 and after the sale of the house etc. I did what we had always planned to do and get into house renovations a field I had experience in and could do 90% of all work myself. I bought a house at the begining of 2008 right money right ish localtion did it to a fantastic standard and not just saying that. I bought it in jan and had it finished in the march on the market 1st April. Oh what a fool that through up the market was at this point starting to aim downwards and the house market was on the way from been sky high aiming south a little at that point. Got a valuation 10k lower! than i would have 3 months earlier and 18k less than that time in '07. Now the original idea was to do it to good "servicable" standard and straight out on the rental market. I spent a lot of time in the place and ended up half way through realising I had done a better than servicable job and decided to knock it out as high standard new first time buyer material. I gutted and totaly modernised this house. new kitchen, bathroom fixtures and fittings from the basement to the loft conversion this house was to end up with a perfect starter home for a young family.

I still have it on the market.


To this day the house market in the area I have bought has gone belly up and when I bought there where 7 estate agents in that area now 18 months on there are 3. Drastic drop to say the least. the only market I can feasably get in there is DSS and I am not in for that I could have had it out in a week according to the agent but in my eyes 1 party and its another 3 months work in the place and a failed insurance policy I'd own the problem so I have a tight person spec.

When I looked to kit the place out I visited 29 different places for bathrooms kitchens lighting etc.
I will say now that I in no way underestimate yours and your partners abilities but I do put a price on a £ I had estimates that ranged from the silly to the extreme to the right price. I ended up going with on guy that made bespoke kitchens to order and to you exact needs in any finish you wished with any tops, handles etc you could shake a stick at. And even though his original pricing came in 3k lower than any others I still got a grand off that. What I am saying to you is in the climate backv then when money was no where near as tight as it is now and he was in need of the business as he had started to notice that things where getting tighter.

I would strongly recommend that you do not give up a job in this economic climate. Even as a test just try applying for jobs without notifying your boses etc and see how many job offers or interviews you get. There are a lot of people and fewer jobs so employers are taking the pick of the bunch now. I am not saying there are less jobs as such but there are a lot more applicants! and people with money are still spending but they do know the state of play and will not pay over the odds or even near them. And if your profit margin is what pays the mortgage, food bill and rates then think on this;

You get a client that wants a new kitchen and bathroom fantastic you get a down payment at best 10% (I wouldnt pay more! ) They then have you start the job etc and half way through the client looses there job! no matter what contract they sign I would be very tempted to say that you'd struggle to get any more money out of them. As a case in point this 1 job falling through could put your house in question!

I am not disuading you from ever doing it But I would say set up a site do all the things you would do whilst you both still work, do it in the evenings weekends till the sun rises! (I have had my own business and you do spend all hours making them work) so do it while you have security in another job as opposed to getting into the big blue yonder. The world is a hellish place when things start bouncing I'll tell you debt will be the last thing on your mind if it went wrong.

I hate to sound so dour but god now is not the time mate, Try it as a side line and even look into doing the deal and advertise the work initially act as a bit of an inbetween service taking a slice (thin maybe) of the money/profit with less risk?

But be carefull is all I will say, dont mean to lecture but didn't want to see you getting into strife trust me it's a shed load easier to say "thats a great idea well done you go mate!"

Harder to give a reality check, in reality.

Good luck and still run a whip round if it gets bad but I am not needing a kitchen at the mo lol

[grolls]

This is what i'm after........

[Nidge74]

Originally Posted by SeanDezart

How much for the S12T then ?

Make me an offer, but bear in mind it is modified to 220BHP on high boost.

[SeanDezart]

Originally Posted by grolls

This is what i'm after........

Can't belive how kitch you like it......bit then looking at those gold wheels - it gives it all away !

Nidge - you're asking to be insulted by asking for offers on a 25 year old car that's been modified that makes it uninsurable.........