What are your cars?

[SeanDezart]

What are your cars?

This is just a bit of fun but also a serious poll - please don't 'chat' here, start another thread for that !

We are curious to know how many hybridz there are in the UK. This poll includes all Zs and ZXs from the S30s 'til the Z33 and should include all current hybridz AND all current projects ( good intentions are not included) !

When polling, please state what engine has been / will be implanted !

For any more details of your car, please open another thread - keep this one simple !

Should anyone feel that this poll would be served also on other sites, please post a thread on that site and copy the results across to here.

Thanks.

The multiple choices are :
'Hybrid S30' (240Z, 260Z, 280Z) Non L series engine

'Hybrid S130' (280ZX) Non L series engine

'Hybrid Z31' (300ZX) Non VG30 series engine

'Hybrid Z32' (300ZX) Non VG30 series engine

'Hybrid Z33' (350Z) Non VQ35 series engine

 

[zeeman1972]

2002 GM LS1 5.7L V8 into a 280Z S30

 

[Albrecht]

Sean,
The listing is defective.

I have a 1970 Fairlady Z-L with a non L-series engine, and it sure as hell isn't a "240Z, 260Z, 280Z".........

There's more than one S30 / S31-series Fairlady Z in the UK, so I don't think it is fair to leave them out of a list that includes USA-market only versions like the '280Z'.

I'm also fairly sure that there are a couple of S130-series 'Fairlady 280Z' models in the UK ( no 'X' Factor ), and at least one PZ31 '200ZR' too ( I've seen it ). Not to mention a whole bunch of non '300ZX' Z32s and non '350Z' Z33s.........

What happened to "One Club, ALL The Cars" then?


And to split hairs even further, not ALL S30-series Z cars came from the Factory with L-series engines in the first place, did they? So if I'm replicating one of these, am I really building a "Hybrid" of the nature that you are discussing?............

 

[zeeman1972]

Albrecht,

Apologies, I gave the categories to Sean and he pasted them up. I obviously somewhat over simplified the selection or not simplified it enough!



Suggestions for better categories gratefully received?



Steve

 

[SeanDezart]

Oh welcome back Count !

If someone can explain to me how I may correct a poll once commenced, I will glady correct my error and include S30 and S31 Fairldays !

However, I hope I can count upon you answering and doing so for the other Fairlady Z hybridz in the Uk please ?

I think, in the interests of simplicity (the polls won't accept dozens of choices) we have to lump the ZRs together with the Z31s and the S130 Fairladys with the 280ZXs, unless they have put in factory non-standard engines !
Anyone who does have an S130 Fairlady and ZR hybrid may post up their conversion and be counted thus !

Help on the poll modification please someone ???

 

[Albrecht]

Suggestions for better categories gratefully received?

Ha!
Talked myself into a task there, didn't I?
Should have kept my metaphorical mouth shut.





But just off the top of my head, why not simply simplify and be non-model-specific. Just quote the series rather than the sub-models. Hence:

*S30 / S31
*S130
*Z31
*Z32
*Z33

.....which covers ALL the cars, and eliminates the need for more complication.

If anybody doesn't know what series their car falls into, then it will be a good opportunity for a spot of Khmer Rouge 'Year Zero' style re-education ( ie - open the bonnet / hood and bloody well look at the VIN number ).

How's that?

 

[SeanDezart]

Yeah alright - good idea - but I can' t access the poll to modify now - call an administrator please !

 

[zeeman1972]

Thanks Albrecht!

I was aiming at going with the series but thought I try to provide a little explanation i.e. model type in brackets and a little info on the expected engine types but that definitely put an additional spin of over complication in it.



It a pleasure dealing with another Virgo! LOL However, having read a lot of your posts on here, you must be the most Virgo Virgo I have ever met and I know you'll take that the way I intended it

 

[Albrecht]

......we have to lump the ZRs together with the Z31s and the S130 Fairladys with the 280ZXs, unless they have put in factory non-standard engines !

Sean,
Are you somewhat missing my point?
The ZRs are Z31s, and an S130 is an S130 whether it is a 'Fairlady 280Z' or a '280ZX'. The series codes are all-inclusive.....

It a pleasure dealing with another Virgo! LOL However, having read a lot of your posts on here, you must be the most Virgo Virgo I have ever met and I know you'll take that the way I intended it

LOL. You don't know how right you are...... You should see my desk.



To get back on topic somewhat, here's a pic of the current progress on the 'is-it-a-hybrid-or-is-it-not' in my garage:

 

[SeanDezart]

No, I don't think I'm missing your point Count, if we class all the cars by series codes (and not followed by model distinctions ie 280ZX etc) then it's all simpler and covers everybodys' cars ! Our posts crossed over on the net

Nice work (by a well known **** Z specialist !

Same colour as Datsun Daves' Rayner-mobile

 

[ben240z]

hybrid on not, who cares, that is looking so good. Is this the 2000cc twin cam that was used in the police cars in japan? and is that where the race twincam head was derived.

 

[Albrecht]

Its the S20 twin cam 24 valve 2 litre. This particular one is a proper 1969-build date Z432-specific 'K3' rear sump unit ( rather than a GT-R front sump unit ).

The Japanese police force only had four Z432s, so it is a bit of a shame that this seems to be one of the only things they ever get remembered for outside Japan.

The 432 and 432-R were Nissan's top models in the S30-series Z range when the Z debuted at the 1969 Tokyo motor show. A Works 'SCCN' team entered 432-R was also the first ever Z to be entered into a fully sanctioned race event, and the first Z to actually win a race.

 

[datsun dave]

1969 Z with Nissan stamped on the rocker cover did the early 240z have Nissan or Datsun on them.Albrect why/when did they swop over Datsun - Nissan ,any more picture of you Fab Gold 920 Z432 what wheels will you be running with the car ?

Dave

 

[zeeman1972]

Albrecht, Nice, very nice!

So that will definitely be non Hybrid then!

 

[Albrecht]

1969 Z with Nissan stamped on the rocker cover did the early 240z have Nissan or Datsun on them.Albrect why/when did they swop over Datsun - Nissan

Dave,
The body is mid 1970 build date, the engine is late 1969 build date.

All S30 / S31-series Z cars had 'NISSAN' on the engine cover - whether Export or Domestic-market bound. I think yours does too?

All Domestic-market ( ie - Japanese ) S30 / S31-series Z cars were badged as 'Nissan' products, and in fact you would not find the 'Datsun' name on them anywhere ( even on the aluminium door threshold plates ). This is perfectly understandable, considering that they were made by the Nissan Motor Co.

The Export-market cars - as we know - were sold as 'Datsuns', but they were still designed and manufactured by Nissan Motor Co.

.....any more picture of you Fab Gold 920 Z432 what wheels will you be running with the car ?

No more pics for the time being, Dave. I've got to get the ( plastic ) bonnet on it, ( acrylic ) windows in and all trim installed too. Lots of work to do in 2006.....

Wheels are currently two sets: Genuine ex-Works magnesium Kobe Seiko rally mags with old-style Dunlop race tyres, and a set of magnesium Kobe Seiko 432 wheels with road tyres.

By the way, colour code '920' ( 'Gold' in Export markets ) was sold as 'Safari Brown' on the Japanese market Z cars. Popularly known as 'Baby Sh*t Brown'..........

 

[SeanDezart]

No, correction, VERY definitely a hybrid !

 

[Albrecht]

Albrecht, Nice, very nice!
So that will definitely be non Hybrid then!

Cheers.
I don't feel like I'm building a true 'Hybrid' in the sense that the word is usually used.

Most of my work has been in gathering genuine 432 / 432-R specific Factory parts, and gathering data and specs on other parts that are unobtainium so that they can be replicated.

Lots of the 432 / 432-R parts bolt onto the car without the need for any hole-drilling, clearancing or modification - which brings home nicely the point that the bodyshells on these cars were designed specifically with the S20 and L-series six fitments in mind. I can now point out many holes / captive nuts and other details on the L-series cars that are there precisely because the PZ and PZR existed in the range alongside the other models. The way the air filter box fits onto the front of the radiator support panel is a perfect case in point.

Its been a steep learning curve, as all the data and info needed is in Japanese.....

 

[SeanDezart]

[/QUOTE]I have a 1970 Fairlady Z-L with a non L-series engine, and it sure as hell isn't a "240Z, 260Z, 280Z".........

I understand

I don't feel like I'm building a true 'Hybrid' in the sense that the word is usually used

, nor do I feel the same way about mine but yours is definetly not an L series engine and you'd be very put out if classed as such - wouldn't you ?

You know that Virgos and Sagittarians don't mix, even withthe best of intentions

 

[SeanDezart]

balls that up - huh ?

 

[Albrecht]

.....but yours is definetly not an L series engine and you'd be very put out if classed as such - wouldn't you ?

But Sean, make no mistake - I love the L-series six to death. Brilliant engines. My ZG has one in it don't forget.......

But I love the S20 too, and having driven a couple of 432s in Japan I came to realise that the package of S20 twin cam, 'A'-series close ratio five speed tranny and the 4.44 ratio LSD-equipped R192 diff ( coupled with the light early PS30 shell, higher-rated springs, dampers and ARBs, and the 'quicker' steering knuckles ) was a 'natural'. Best early-Z combination I had driven, in fact. They got it SO right from the Factory. It is hard to get this across to people who have never seen one in the metal, let alone driven one ( more's the pity )......

Like I say, I don't really feel like I'm building a 'replica' in the sense that the word is currently used. It feels more like a 're-creation' than anything else, and when so much Factory stuff bolts up to original Factory holes it feels quite natural in many ways. Like it was 'meant' to be.....

The aim is most definitely NOT any absolute value of ultimate horsepower / torque / speed or whatever, but more a sense of a particular abstract flavour that I have tasted in Japan and can't afford to import to the UK in its original form.

Does that make any sense?

You know that Virgos and Sagittarians don't mix, even withthe best of intentions

Of course I know that. You can't tell us Virgos anything!........