Skidoffs' challenge

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
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I would be more inclined to match your offers with the same money for him NOT to appear.
Its bad enough putting up with with his continual beligerence on this forum. much of it directed against one of my best friends. The situation of having him actually in my face at a meeting spouting the same nonsense is something worth paying for to NOT happen.:thumbs:

All the above from Mr Grumpy who never ceases to nag and criticise others on here - that's rich....so rich that in fact get yer wallet out and pay me to stay here - then Skidden can use THAT as an excuse to ahve another go at me for trying to wriggle out of something.........

Who's up next to defend 'poor old Skidden' and have a go at The Smeg ? Where's Racer ?:p
 

zbloke

Club Member
The situation of having him actually in my face at a meeting spouting the same nonsense is something worth paying for to NOT happen.:thumbs:

Perhaps "The Smeg" should be asked to behave in the same manner as "The Stig" for the duration of the challange, i.e. helemt on, visor down and no talking? :D
 

Mr.F

Inactive
BTW... your fibreglass/spaceframe car is supermod. class.

There have never been any cars entered into the Z Club Drag Challenge series which didn't have at their core, most of an original steel monocoque with a valid VIN that relates to an actual Nissan produced Fairlady Z. Much as I hate to say it, a fibreglass/spaceframe replica would be Invitational class and not eligible to gain points in any Z based class. As this has been raised as a point of discussion, perhaps it needs writing into the revised rules for 2012? It also rules out the Bradshaw 350Z taking away my number 1 position in the Hall of Fame...:devil:.

If the discussion wishes to argue eligibility of a replica in a one-model series, then fire away...

needs a slight adjustment on the wording of the amount of stripping and lightening

In Class 1 - 6, the general principle is that the car should represent what a typical Club member might reasonably be able to build and run on the road. The level of build quality and ability to run both fast and quick have moved on in leaps and bounds in recent years. There have been pioneers in Class 1, 3 and 5, some of whom have indulged in lightening techniques to supplement the ability of their power to be delivered into real world performance. I've not taken exception to any car in that time as all have been delivered to the track by normal public roads and covered by a legitimate MOT and tax. The implication, therefore, is that all required safety equipment is maintained.

I have no argument with innovation. If all removable panels are replaced with lightweight versions on the original monocoque and someone is prepared to drive the creation on the road to compete with us, then I'm happy. If said vehicle arrived on a trailer, with or without MOT and tax, had been stripped to point where it wouldn't pass another MOT (e.g. no lights, no heater etc.), had floppy panels loosely secured to a rudimentary frame, then I'd have no hesitation in consigning it to Class 7. In all the years I've been doing the Drag Challenge (in one form or another 28 years), I've had one 260Z that conformed to that description - everything else has been completely legitimate and true to the rules that existed at the appropriate time.

The current Drag Challenge rules may be significantly revised for 2012. In light of the success of our Bracket Racing at Shakespeare County and the Heads Up Eliminator at North Weald, there might be the option to make it a proper "race" series and the Class rules can be dispensed with as, in Bracket, everyone is equal! The Class structure and increases in performance would be recorded and applauded via the Hall of Fame.
 
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SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
Throttletons' f/g is surely no different than re-shelling a UK car with another (from elsewhere or within the UK) ?No heater boots up a class ? You're hard - what about cross-plies - does that drop you one ?

zbloke........the advantage The Stig has are three loons who do the speaking for him, until now, I've only noticed the boffins' mate speak up so maybe HE should shut himself up in his Caractacu Potts' laboratory !
 

STEVE BURNS

Club Member
There have never been any cars entered into the Z Club Drag Challenge series which didn't have at their core, most of an original steel monocoque with a valid VIN that relates to an actual Nissan produced Fairlady Z. Much as I hate to say it, a fibreglass/spaceframe replica would be Invitational class and not eligible to gain points in any Z based class. As this has been raised as a point of discussion, perhaps it needs writing into the revised rules for 2012? It also rules out the Bradshaw 350Z taking away my number 1 position in the Hall of Fame...:devil:.

If the discussion wishes to argue eligibility of a replica in a one-model series, then fire away...



In Class 1 - 6, the general principle is that the car should represent what a typical Club member might reasonably be able to build and run on the road. The level of build quality and ability to run both fast and quick have moved on in leaps and bounds in recent years. There have been pioneers in Class 1, 3 and 5, some of whom have indulged in lightening techniques to supplement the ability of their power to be delivered into real world performance. I've not taken exception to any car in that time as all have been delivered to the track by normal public roads and covered by a legitimate MOT and tax. The implication, therefore, is that all required safety equipment is maintained.

I have no argument with innovation. If all removable panels are replaced with lightweight versions on the original monocoque and someone is prepared to drive the creation on the road to compete with us, then I'm happy. If said vehicle arrived on a trailer, with or without MOT and tax, had been stripped to point where it wouldn't pass another MOT (e.g. no lights, no heater etc.), had floppy panels loosely secured to a rudimentary frame, then I'd have no hesitation in consigning it to Class 7. In all the years I've been doing the Drag Challenge (in one form or another 28 years), I've had one 260Z that conformed to that description - everything else has been completely legitimate and true to the rules that existed at the appropriate time.

The current Drag Challenge rules may be significantly revised for 2012. In light of the success of our Bracket Racing at Shakespeare County and the Heads Up Eliminator at North Weald, there might be the option to make it a proper "race" series and the Class rules can be dispensed with as, in Bracket, everyone is equal! The Class structure and increases in performance would be recorded and applauded via the Hall of Fame.

As per usual a concise and clear reply that clarifies the issue from the dragmaster :bow:

All that is needed now is for any copies of the rules to be posted in any colour but Grey LOL
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
As per usual a concise and clear reply that clarifies the issue from the dragmaster :bow:

All that is needed now is for any copies of the rules to be posted.

Err, no !

Before everyone gets a hearty pat on the back :

Throttletons' f/g is surely no different than re-shelling a UK car with another (from elsewhere or within the UK) ?No heater boots up a class ? You're hard - what about cross-plies - does that drop you one ?
 

SKiddell

Well-Known Forum User
Sean
Much as I respect Throttletons project (I think it could be a very tasty performer), it may have a zillion S30 parts, look and smell like an S30

It isnt an S30
So its not like reshelling at all
 

Mr.F

Inactive
Throttletons' f/g is surely no different than re-shelling a UK car with another (from elsewhere or within the UK)

Please read the full sentence:

an original steel monocoque with a valid VIN that relates to an actual Nissan produced Fairlady Z.

The essence is that the car should be a Fairlady Z at heart. It doesn't matter whether it is a restoration using another shell - the vehicle is still of Nissan origin.

No heater boots up a class ?

You are reading and quoting out of context - look again. That section starts with "e.g." and cites examples of cumulative lightening techniques that might lead to Class 7 classification - the organiser discretion has to be applied. Just removing a heater (if that could be detected with a full dashboard in place) would not lead to an immediate re-classification. You're just being provocative - nothing new there though...

what about cross-plies - does that drop you one ?

Now you're just being stupid. The choice of tyres is clearly represented in the rules. If a competitor chooses to disadvantage themselves by tyre choice, that's up to them. Also, there is no class to "drop" to if you are in 1 - 6. The classes are defined by model and induction choice. Class 7 is clearly defined for "out of the ordinary", i.e. hybrids and pure race modification. Have you even read the rule sheet as it currently exists?
 

STEVE BURNS

Club Member
Err, no !

Before everyone gets a hearty pat on the back :

Sean Bud you cleverly edited out part of my Quote
from
As per usual a concise and clear reply that clarifies the issue from the dragmaster :bow:

All that is needed now is for any copies of the rules to be posted in any colour but Grey LOL
to
Originally Posted by STEVE BURNS
As per usual a concise and clear reply that clarifies the issue from the dragmaster :bow:

All that is needed now is for any copies of the rules to be posted.

missing of the "in any colour but Grey LOL"
that was a tongue in cheek reference to Skids posting up of the rules in grey in post 63 of this thread to ensure that my original point did not come over as confrontational

Tell you what at times I think you post deliberately wanting someone to say that you deserve a pat on the head (Opps I meant back) LOL
 

ben240z

Club Member
Sean
Try reading the MSA Blue Book and then build a car to comply with the regs set out in the Blue Book. Not even the MSA can interpret the regs to those asking for advice and guidance
From an unbiased opinion the regs that are written for all to comply with seem to be a very simple clear set with a choice of 4 people to contact should there be a question. And unlike the MSA they even give you a definitive answer to your question.
I find it hard to believe that you are finding the club drag challenge regs hard to understand as you must be having a considerable battle to get clarity on what you can and cant use on your group 4 project.
If you do not have the same spec car as someone you are going to compete with and feel that is not fair then stick to enjoying what you do with your car and leave those that do compete with others to enjoy the competition.
You could always have a minimum weight for the car and driver and maximum engine capacity with limited maximum revs, control tyres, maximum ground clearance etc and then have a competition just like they do in F1, Touring cars, Ausie V8 supercars and all the other race series in the world but then you would be having a comp between you as a driver and Skiddy as a driver.
Alternatively you could as you say take your cars to a circuit and then to a drag strip have a competition between you and skiddy which may show which is the best overall car/driver combination. You could always put in the effort that Skiddy has put into drag racing, Matt, DJ, Steve Banford, Kev Bristow, myself and many others have put into their chosen form of motorsport and then go out and have a go at your chosen target.
I admire your competitive attitude and passion for your car and the marque itself but wish that you would stop the talking and just get on with showing what you and your car can do against others.
Keep taking the medication mon ami and enjoy living the dream
 

Throttleton

Well-Known Forum User
pmac said:
"However... if you and Throttleton and anyone else wants to write another set of rules and subsequently administer them for the next 5 years then I for one will not stand in your way."

I know as much about drag racing rules as I do about engine building pmac:eek: So I will leave that to those in the know!

Mr.F said:
"Much as I hate to say it, a fibreglass/spaceframe replica would be Invitational class and not eligible to gain points in any Z based class."

Mr F do you remember a song called 'The little boy that Santa Claus forgot' ?
Or the little lion cub with the wonky leg that gets pushed out of the group because he is a bit different.
Or the......you get my point;)
I would be happy to go in group 7 bearing in mind I will have an otherwise stock car so will no doubt come last and therefore have no effect on the points system but at least I could be there and take part.
Can you and the rest of the overlords see if thats possible??
The 'invitational class' has the 'wonky leg' feel about it.

On the same note 'what is my car'
Lots of suggestions but none I feel are right.
I'll start a new thread...........
 
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SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
Bloooody 'ell - the heavy artillery's out - all we need now is Mr Mr Gaskin to warn me to behave in the playground or else.:rolleyes:

I admire your competitive attitude and passion for your car and the marque itself but wish that you would stop the talking and just get on with showing what you and your car can do against others.
Keep taking the medication mon ami and enjoy living the dream

A tadge patronising so let's not be hypocritical eh.

What I'm best at and have consistently done so over similar periods as those who have campaigned their cars is promoting the cars, the marque and the clubs that support them. This I shall continue to do whilst taking my medication.

I'm no expert, have had no training or lessons but I enjoy a good track-session.

I'm not conceiving my car to be a total winner at this or that and certainly not at a drag-strip so no, I haven't pored over the rules in detail - I will though out of respect for those who have written them through experience and have continued to support and promote said motorsport.

To reassure others - I'm fully aware that Skidden uses the drag-runs as measuring test-beds although it appears at times to be unclear whether the aim is the be the fastest n/a S30 or to push the power-boundaries.:confused:
Here I copy what I wrote earlier this morning (before your email sent after midday Steve which I still haven't read yet) to Mr F (who can verify it) in a mail on another subject :

"Ps don’t you get wound up by the boffin/smeg thread – Steve and I have a private exchange going on and there is no animosity on my side just a lot of respect for what he has brought to the scene – have to liven up the site and whatnot – so effing boring, especially over winter with reduced outings !"

With all the respect to Steve - it is a personal crusade, as much as all those that any that Ben quoted have had their personal triumphs and satisfaction - not to further the marque, not to prove anything but to themselves (and all glory to and from it) however I still have even more respect for Steve for his contribution to this club (and that includes the tech sharing and teaching/explanations) especially the magazine editing than how fast he can drive up 400 metres - I can't agree that having more respect for something somehow reduces respect for something else !:p

"Tell you what at times I think you post deliberately wanting someone to say that you deserve a pat on the head (Opps I meant back) LOL"

:D Too many pats on the head and I'll be like him off Benny Hill.:D

Burns - you frequently nit-pick my dear friend and provoke (almost) nearly as much as I......and my reference to pat on the back was "a tongue in cheek reference" to your statement that Mr F had "As per usual a concise and clear reply that clarifies the issue" when imho there remain some questions upon reshelled cars AND Mr F clearly left the door open when he said "If the discussion wishes to argue eligibility of a replica in a one-model series, then fire away..."

I shall continue on Throttletons' thread.:thumbs:

Going back to a 'challenge', if it aint fun and taken too seriously, there is no point. I will obviously do my best, I'll certainly win a personal best :rolleyes: but I don't seriously believe that it'llbe the proof of any pudding.
I accept (yes I do Steve) that it is a reliable test of one person and his cars' power but that there are too many variables for a run to be a test of one car against another.

Convince me !:eek:
 

Rob Gaskin

Treasurer
Staff member
Site Administrator
Bloooody 'ell - the heavy artillery's out - all we need now is Mr Mr Gaskin to warn me to behave in the playground or else.

That's a bit below the belt Sean.

As Ben said - the pair of you just shut up and run a few 1/4 next year and compare fastest times. No point in travelling across the channel it will only add to costs and it might rain.

However if you just want to generate 'posts' carry on.
 

SeanDezart

Well-Known Forum User
Besides - I have to check now and then if your sense of humour implant has worked - was it below the belt ?:lol:
 

datsfun

Club Member
Hmm, this thread has now gone too technical (for me) and we are now deep into interpretation of the rules or perhaps the non adherence to them:rolleyes:

I will contribute £25 to the clubs coffers as a donation if such a showdown can be arranged.

Moreover if mon ami wins, I will renew my club membership as well :devil:

I am surrounded by lots of folk who have 200-350 flywheel BHP cars, many moderns and a few old skool and their consolidated experience highlights the fact that its not a simple case of stuffing the most powerful engine into a shell or lightening the shell silly...traction, power delivery, other forces come ino play.:driving:
 

pmac

Well-Known Forum User
..so rich that in fact get yer wallet out and pay me to stay here - then Skidden can use THAT as an excuse to ahve another go at me for trying to wriggle out of something..

If you post up any more trash I too will be having lots more goes at you.
anyway....
Here is the cheque. Its been increased in case any other well meaning but misguided member offers to assist your trip over with money.
Terms and conditions are.....
Stay away from ALL rounds of the Drag challenge next year.
Cheque is postdated Nov 2012.
Will be posted to you after the final round.......:thumbs:..
 

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