Skiddy v. Sean the Gob - dragging

[SKiddell]

The “150kgs” was written to me in private and I’ve been asked not to repeat that which is written in private, however :

Thats because the 150KGS was made up of my weight loss plus the weight of your head (weight gain) which since it will be attached (for the time being) to your body, must be included and will invariable slow you down.

I never put myself in Bens class, you did....Bens car is a well known, well respected, light weight race car, driven by a well experianced hill climb driver....... mine isnt.

I'm there to push Skiddy (and others if they can find the tyres) to further excellence.

Ahhh a legend in your own lunchtime ohh the modesty, I could cry:lol:
The only thing your pushing is my patience

 

[johnymd]

So how much BHP and how little weight will it need to get into the low 12s? You must have done some cals, both of you?

280BHP on a 1 ton car?

 

[ben240z]

Nice reply !

I couldn't compete with you on a hill-climb but I DO expect you to be surprised.

why could you not compete with me on a hill climb???????????????

 

[SeanDezart]

I'm not modest Steve - waste of energy, like jealousy - if you're good at something, be proud, accept the praise...........and move one to better things. But I'll be there and you should know from my posts that I don't like losing.

Ben - silly question. Why have you done all that you've done to your car, mechanics, body etc if a standard-bodied road-car could compete against you ?

Just to spell it out - by compete, I don't mean run in the same race with you, I mean compete to win ! To me, competing doesn't mean participating (like a traffic cone on the course participates), it means being there and trying to win - that's competition.

And so, releuctantly, I like my car as it is too much to begin peeling back her skin and replacing permenant body panels...........with carbon fibre for instance ! Skiddy, you forgot to mention the roof which of course you did only to replace the vulgar '80s sun-roof.............

ps what happened to your L28 - is it the base for your stroker ?

 

[ben240z]

Ben - silly question. Why have you done all that you've done to your car, mechanics, body etc if a standard-bodied road-car could compete against you ?

If that is the case then why do you think that your standard bodied road car with its non standard 'DJ ROAD and RACE' engine driven by yourself is going to whop the arse of a lightened (in areas that do not affect the strength) purpose tuned (for the drag strip) with an engine that due to being on a mapped fuel and ignition systen would be more drivable (over the whole rev/power range) as a road engine, already proven car with a driver that has spent years honing his skills to suit the sport he has chosen.

I look forward to seeing you run the drag strip, not because I want to see who is quicker but because you are doing something that is not your scene but are willing to try.
If more people in this club tried something different in thier cars it may make tham appreciate what the cars are capable of and just how much competitve fun can be had with them. And thats all models.
PS my car is not as light as you think due to the amount of metal that has gone back in to make the roll cage

 

[ben240z]

ps what happened to your L28 - is it the base for your stroker ?

He wants to buy it to put into his car for the challenge:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[SeanDezart]

If that is the case then why do you think that your standard bodied road car with its non standard 'DJ ROAD and RACE' engine driven by yourself is going to whop the arse of a lightened (in areas that do not affect the strength) purpose tuned (for the drag strip) with an engine that due to being on a mapped fuel and ignition systen would be more drivable (over the whole rev/power range) as a road engine, already proven car with a driver that has spent years honing his skills to suit the sport he has chosen.

I look forward to seeing you run the drag strip, not because I want to see who is quicker but because you are doing something that is not your scene but are willing to try.
If more people in this club tried something different in thier cars it may make tham appreciate what the cars are capable of and just how much competitve fun can be had with them. And thats all models.
PS my car is not as light as you think due to the amount of metal that has gone back in to make the roll cage

Firstly, there are some obvious safety requirements for hill-climbing that my car hasn't got and won't have so I can't compete against you.

Without you saying what weight your car is, I wouldn't know what to think .

To answer your first question in para 1, I think most of you have underestimated the DJR input for last years' engine and who built Jon Masons' engine ? True, Skiddy has gone elsewhere for his stroker but THAT's a direct challenge to our friend Dave so there are some developments which give me a certain confidence to say that my road-car will beat Mr Kiddell and all his experience in his car honed to one point - to be the fastest n/a L6 down the 1/4 mile.

I've never seen Jon Masons' car but how much more standard bodied is it compared to Steves' ? If all this c/f is essentiel then I would assume that Jons' car was less steel than sticky-back plastic .

No, drag-strippoing is not the aim of my car but I don't see why it can't - as it is on a damp B-road, I've GPS measured 5.8 to 60mph. I don't know what it needs to beat that and keep beating 'til 400m (maths isn't my best subject) but the challenge has been laid down - now we must deliver but I've got some serious back-up and well-motivated.

Why would I want to buy an inferior engine to mine ?

 

[ben240z]

1000kg all up. Fuel, driver and mascot

 

[SeanDezart]

That's pretty good considering the roll cage, extinguisher etc.......and you're........a stout fireman.

C'mon Skiddy - come out of the closet and tell - what does your car weigh.........if you truly know and haven't just guesstimated it via your calculator, elapsed time over distance and assumed bhp.

Pretty please with bells and cute flowers on, may I humbly know your cars' weight (without you inside) please.....please, sir ?

 

[SKiddell]

I've GPS measured 5.8 to 60mph.

Oh dear, last time I was measured 0-60 on a drag strip (York I ran 4.7 seconds) on GPS at Bruntingthorp it was similar...all that was when I ran 13.6 second 1/4 miles.....to run low 13's you need to run 0-60 in around 4.5

A ways to go then Sean

You might want to factor in that when Jon did the low 13 his car had no bumbers, no passenger seat a fibreglass tailgate plus items removed....smart move, it worked, I was there with a two way radio reporting his times to him as he did them

so there are some developments which give me a certain confidence to say that my road-car will beat Mr Kiddell

What has Dave invented frickin warp drive cos thats what your going to need, you seem to forget, there are no new inventions in the land of 4 strokes so stop believing your own bullshit, wake up and smell the coffee Sean, its loser flavoured.

 

[SeanDezart]

Oh dear, last time I was measured 0-60 on a drag strip (York I ran 4.7 seconds) on GPS at Bruntingthorp it was similar...all that was when I ran 13.6 second 1/4 miles.....to run low 13's you need to run 0-60 in around 4.5

A ways to go then Sean

You might want to factor in that when Jon did the low 13 his car had no bumbers, no passenger seat a fibreglass tailgate plus items removed....smart move, it worked.

A ways to go indeed but all that Jon did - I can do - it costs nothing but if there was a rule that cars must be road legal, he'd have had to run with bumpers and two seats - no ?

On a dry day, I reckon I could get it down to 5 secs and I'd only tried three burns to get that time so with some practice too maybe just under the 5. Add a bit of spicy Slough, lose a considerable amount of weight, borrow a different diff. and a lot more timed practice, I think that no more than 4 seconds is obtainable.

 

[JakTheRuby]

I think it's a little harder to take off that last second Sean but good luck with it. Check your email in about an hour by the way. To get an NA engine to 60 in those times is a major bit of work. Let's not forget that low 4 seconds to 60 is Ferrari f430 territory, from a 4.3litre highly faffed V8. For Steve to get into those times has taken years of fettling to both engine and car. I admire your spirit for competition as that's what makes this fun but without some laughing gas squirting in the chambers I feel this year may be ambitious.

 

[SKiddell]

You don't need a passenger seat or bumpers to pass an MOT

Let me ask you some questions, (think of it as an interview)

Before all of this you will have soaked your tyres in softener the previous night, set off at around 7:30 in the morning got to the track at 9 making sure you have a light fuel load of the best octane rating around (Tesco's 99 just down the road in Wellingborough) added your octane boost (Aldon works well), signed on had breakfast and set your car up, rev limits, clutch stops, tyre pressures, bonnet stops and checked out the track (and competition)
Then you sit in the fire up lane with everyone else for over an hour at a time sometimes, pushing your car as you dont want the engine getting to warm (cold is good)
Then you called up to stage,

1. Are you prepared to sit the car in the burn out pan and smoke your £100 + (each)semi slick tyres so that they are hot and clean.
2. Are you prepared to sit on a line holding around 4K in front of anywhere between 50 and 1000 people all who are willing you to stall (or so you think) next to a car that quiet possibly will kick your ass.
3. Are you prepared to sit on a line holding the clutch just at biting point at around 4K, in front of anywhere between 100 and 1000 people.
4. Are you prepared to sit on a line holding the clutch just at slipping point at around 4K in front of anywhere between 100 and 1000 people and then side step it and hang on for grim death ignoring all of the bangs and crashes with your foot nailed to the floor ignoring the car next to you like their not there.
5. Are you prepared take the engine to its red line (and above) for every gear change
6. Are you prepared to crash the gear box through every gear change with your foot still nailed to the floor
7. Are you prepared to cross the line at around 7500 or so rpm because you dont want to incure a gear change into 4th which will cost you 3 tenths of a second extra.
8 Are you prepared to do all of the above knowing that anything can go wrong and if it does its most likely catastrophic

If your happy doing all of this then come along and begin your appentiship young Jedi.....you should get the hang of it after 10 or 20 races, which on an average of 5 per RWYB day (sometimes you get non due to rain offs) will take over 4 weeks at the end you might just begin to get the feel of it and know how to get the 60 ft right.....which you must do in around 1.82 seconds or better, any slower than that and your toast, Skiddy has the win and your a loser.

Its not just about the car Sean (Magic fairy dust and all that)....a 12 second car isnt a 12 second car if its driven by a 14 second driver.

Think I'm making it up, well stop your constant belly aching and turn up.

 

[JakTheRuby]

Think I'm making it up, well stop your constant belly aching and turn up.

When Steve turned his baseball cap around, you new shit was about to go down...

We already have the makings of a fab season (at some point, not detracting from the talent we already have lighting up the blacktop). I cannot wait for this shizzle to happen. Awesome.

 

[SeanDezart]

No-one's invincible, nothing's impossible.

An F430 has a weight to power ratio of 2.96kgs/bhp and if I can get under the 3.5, I'm in with a chance - if I wasn't then neither would Skiddy.

Steve, I'm not a person to be intimidated, sure, scary, sure, nobody wants to fluff it, especially in front of a crowd, ESPECAILLY after blabbing here but one can do ones' best and if it isn't good enough then the best man wins on the day.

I have ABSOLUTE faith in my car and its' components - I have already pushed the mechanics to their current limits and with the help of some trick bits and engineering..........and a lot more practice, I'm still confident.

Bring it on but don't even try to sow doubt in MY mind 'cos I've said it before - I've noting to lose - look at the voting - I voted for me and then there's some poor bastard who clicked on the wrong name. I will be (like you) only competing against myself and the board in the distance - I won't even remember that there are 2000 eyes glued to MY car because it looks nicer.

A couple of years back we had a short ding-dong when I slagged off driving in a straight line. Your response was to come along and try. I shall but not before I consider that I've a good opportunity to send you home with a smarting bottom.

YOUR opportunity to run with me around a track at Castle Coombe didn't happen and you came down in a reliable Golf at Le Mans Classic 2 years ago so don't think that next years' drag run is the end of it.

It'll be your turn to come over to a circuit here and play hard - I'll give you all the hints you'll need, you can even follow me around for a couple of laps until we get serious. Donnington Park and your tack lessons - a doddle !

 

[SeanDezart]

He's only wearing the cap to hide his bald spot affliction..............and even that is false to lose another nanosecond with less drag.

 

[JakTheRuby]

Sorry 'bout the hijack, but there are people here on not much more than standard s30's that could hand your ass to you 'round the Combe.

 

[SeanDezart]

You're right Jak - call it off Steve - let's face it, we're only using up valuable datebase with this pointless thread. I'll just stay here, dream and carry on being an armchair warrior.

 

[JakTheRuby]

Oh now it's on bitch. You cut a brother deep.

 

[SeanDezart]

April Fool.