looks like 40 year rolling mot exemption is coming

[SeanDezart]

Tony's point about eventually banning older cars is valid and so is Jimbo's re insurance.

Rich - I wonder if the classic car trade will come out and support modified cars - that aint their business is it !

 

[uk66fastback]

It will still be an offence to drive a dangerous and defective vehicle on the Queen's highway ... so if you have an old car with unsafe steering and a wing falling off with jagged edges you'll still get done for it - and rightly so.

 

[Jimbo]

It will still be an offence to drive a dangerous and defective vehicle on the Queen's highway ... so if you have an old car with unsafe steering and a wing falling off with jagged edges you'll still get done for it - and rightly so.

trouble is most would only get picked up in the event of an accident when its too late.
at least with an mot you cant go any further with the vehicle unless you fix it as any responsible owner would do

 

[uk66fastback]

But an MOT only covers that vehicle on the day of testing as we know. You legally need an MOT to drive on the road and be insured. When you don't legally need one, it won't be a requirement of your insurance that you have one I would think ...

There are plenty of cars five years old with many more 000's of miles on the road than our old classics that are in a far worse state mechanically - they're the ones to worry about. Just cos ours are old, doesn't mean they are any worse - they just don't get used as often, and so consequently don't do many miles - like most classics.

I think on balance, it's a bit of red tape we can do without ... well I can.

 

[Mick Cliff]

Watch out for Q plates!
Read through this from another forum...
http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60818

 

[SeanDezart]

When you don't legally need one, it won't be a requirement of your insurance that you have one I would think ...

Just cos ours are old, doesn't mean they are any worse - they just don't get used as often, and so consequently don't do many miles - like most classics.

So the insurance should be a lot less - less mileage, less chance of an accident and being a classic, one will be more careful anyway....in theory.

It will still be an offence to drive a dangerous and defective vehicle on the Queen's highway .

Is a modified car with +15% dangerous in the eyse of the law ?

 

[Rob Gaskin]

So the insurance should be a lot less - less mileage, less chance of an accident and being a classic, one will be more careful anyway....in theory.

...............

Mine is less than say a 370Z I used to own.

 

[SeanDezart]

And I pay £55 a year (3rd TPFT and glass cover) for mine.

 

[Dougs260z]

Okay, so this states that it is based on 15% increase on power to weight ratio.

So............

Mine is , 260z 2+2 at original weight of 1200kg and 162 bhp
The L28 engine is 9 kg heavier = now 1209 kg ( i assume that I was 10 stone in the 70's and 17 stone now does not come into the power to weight calculation)

162 bhp / 1200 kg = 0.135 + 15%= 0.15525 x 1209 = 187.9 target bhp

If I was to install a roll cage does this mean that I could have more BHP due to the weight of the cage?

If I am above 187.9 bhp I would require an MOT.


Would this need a MOT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNM9HWjp9fQ

How will the police determine the BHP if the MOT is not done? I assume that as long as you do not have a RB swap you should be okay?

This appears to be an EU Directive, as we are still in the EU (at least for now) then Westminster have no option but to accept this. The EU directive is for 30 year old cars not just 40 year olds.

What happens to Z cars coming into the UK as it stands, I assume they are currently except from MOT testing in the original country (EU), and then when entering the UK also except, but then given 6 months or so to pass the MOT?

 

[vipergts]

I shall carry on MOT ing as per.

I think this rule is absolute madness, The unscrupulous will be dragging cars out of hedges and driving them and worse selling them

I know my cars very well but am always keen come MOT time. Just last week I took my E Type and found the bottom ball joints were lose

It's good practice and good for the history to keep getting it MOT'd

 

[uk66fastback]

The unscrupulous will be dragging cars out of hedges and driving them and worse selling them

They really won't be driving them. But they're for sale NOW already (ebay etc - hedgefind as opposed to the added value barnfind) so I can't see the difference there.

 

[tel240z]

Now for all those that want to voluntary MOT there cars if the 40 year old rule happens think again, you probably wont be able to as they will more than likely be removed off of VOSA's database, i tried to take my newly acquired cherry picker for an MOT and it wasn't recognized i then found out it was Mot exempt so he couldn't do it

 

[Alphabettispaghetti]

No you could still do it and get a certificate to say it met the standard. That's the smart thing to do anyway as I. Any accident or possible claim situation you're basically demonstrating you Keo the car in a road worthy state

 

[SeanDezart]

Perhaps it's all in advance of stricter MOTs and knowing that older cars'll fail them - think emissions already - all this is a way around 'the problem'....so don't be too harsh on Whitehall.

Just a petty, snidy remark from over here : this is deffo NOT an EU directive; this is your own cosy govt applying sovereignty over it's own loyal citizens.

 

[datsfun]

Just a petty, snidy remark from over here : this is deffo NOT an EU directive; this is your own cosy govt applying sovereignty over it's own loyal citizens.

We are so used to blaming the EU whenever new legislation or guidance kicks in. Soon we will have to find another scapegoat

 

[SeanDezart]

We are so used to blaming the EU whenever new legislation or guidance kicks in. Soon we will have to find another scapegoat

What is wrong in blaming your national government like everyone else ?

You've been hoodwinked for so long, conditioned to believ that your poor MPs have their hands tied - there be an awakening men - those that should be accountable to you (the voters) ought to live up to their statuts.

YOU, the great paying and voting public ought to get together (via a motoring organisation not govt affiliated and petition the govt to lay the eff off classic motorists !

 

[Mr.G]

I wonder if it has anything to do with this -

Earlier in the year my local MOT man mentioned to me that VOSA is making recommendations/rules (can't remember) for testers to have new equipment installed which makes the testing more automated. These machines are more suited for modern vehicles and are less sympathetic to older cars.

Eg, the old fashion wheel play test, done by hand, will be automated... I remember he said that he wonders whether old cars would get damaged by these new procedures.

 

[yellowz]

I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance companies balk at paying out on claims for cars with no MOT or some kind of certificate of roadworthiness. Either that or the premiums will go up.

I'll still get mine pre-mot'd each year by any garage with staff old enough or confident enough to remember how to do it!

 

[Rob Gaskin]

Well it's in the weekly Classic papers now, 40+ year old cars will be exempt from MoT testing from My but the detail about the modified cars will be clarified this November.

I can see the clarification being too difficult and all modified cars will need testing or excluded from 'Historic' status. We will see.

This may open up a 'can of worms' especially with hybrids, their safety and Historic status.

 

[richiep]

The fact that they don't know how many modified classics there are, as mentioned in the document, highlights how messy this is going to be. Plus, IMO, if they enforce the 8-point rule, the BIVA is not suitable for classics given it's designed for new cars and kits. Trying to test 40+ year old cars against modern standards will be an impasse in many cases. There will be an outcry and much friction. I can see the basic owner modus operandi reverting to the tried and tested approach to dealing with British bureaucracy- keep them in the dark as much as practically possible!!!