Just bought our first Z (240Z)

Albrecht

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One of Nissan's factory 'Sports Option' parts was a pair of Sumitomo MK63 4-pot brake calipers that were a bolt-on for the '69 through '73 cars, using the stock - solid, unvented - brake rotor. I used to run this setup on my first UK market HS30, and it was pretty good as long as you got enough cooling air to the rotors. Certainly much improved pedal feel and braking power without the complication of going to vented rotors, and a good choice for a 'street' car, as opposed to a 'track' car.

Nissan used the 'narrow' MK63 4-pot/solid rotor setup on the 1971 Monte Carlo Rallye cars, where brake cooling was apparently not a problem...
 

Rob Gaskin

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Someone didn't share your concern then if it's sold.:)

However, by your implication, all stock 240Zs are sporting in pretension only ?:unsure::confused:

Yes sold as expected.

Absolutely not Sean, my stock 240Z wears it's solid discs with pride and they are quite capable of stopping the car driven as it was intended when built.
 

SeanDezart

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Absolutely not Sean, my stock 240Z wears it's solid discs with pride and they are quite capable of stopping the car driven as it was intended when built.

Then (and I'm not getting at you or trying to score points) I don't understand your statement

"hence my comment that it looked more sporty than it was."

You think it should have had better brakes ?:confused:
 

Woody928

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I don't see the point in upgrading the std front solid disc-brake set-up but I'll agree to disagree.;)

What would you recommend in that case? (fast road use with occasional track session considered) I take it from your comments that vented disk setups are available with 4 piston calipers?

I'm unfamiliar with the available options, however I suspected at least a healthy stock setup would be a good starting point, at very low cost while I fully assessed my spending priorities...

I'm all ears to any wisdom anyone has to share :thumbs: I've read there's little point in changing out the rear drums due to the majority of the braking being done up front.
 

Woody928

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So I thought I'd add a small update on the car, absolutely loving ownership so far :D The car still get stupid amounts of attention wherever it goes. I've maintained my record of speaking to someone new on every journey I've undertaken in the car to date.

I managed to sneak the car into Goodwood's Hot Hatch breakfast Sunday several weeks back and made it round to the paddock. As soon as I pulled into the paddock the car was swarmed with loads of interest. Spent a few hours just chatting to people, letting them sit in the car etc. Was awesome fun, rather amusingly saw several photos posted up in social media as well.

The car got to stretch its legs today by doing 160 miles this morning/afternoon going for a drive with some friends through MR2OC and a pub lunch. Safe to say she performed faultlessly and was great fun. Definitely need to look into suspension options though as despite wafting around in comfort, I rolled around almost every corner in a spirited fashion. Brakes were better than expected however I think could possibly benefit from some work, getting vented disks up front may well be a worthwhile investment. The other positive from the day was when filling up this evening I realised the car had managed 26.4 mpg which was very pleasing :)

After months of searching and deliberating we have finally decided on some door mirrors for the car. We've acquired some nos Chrome Hella 4004 GT mirrors from Germany. These are period racing mirrors so seemed an appropriate choice in the end, hopefully I'll arrange to get these fitted in the not too distant future when they arrive.

The immediate to do list seems to be growing though unfortunately, and I have several jobs on which any advice would be much appreciated.

1. Heater is not working. I have limited to no understanding of this system however I have manually opened the heater valve after being unsure if the control was working however this had no effect, there appears to be hot water pipes running from the rad in the car which I assume are for the heater matrix however I do not know. The middle temperature control slider also doesn't appear to be connected to anything. Are there any common issues with the heating? and where would anyone recommend looking? with winter very much arriving this is becoming a priority.
2. My gauge lighting is pretty awful, I'm sure at least one of my speedo lights has blown. What bulbs do these take? can I replace with 501 LED's to improve matters?
3. Undersealing, with winter now hitting I'm keen to protect the car as much as possible to extend its life for many years. Are there any particular products anyone would recommend? and is there anywhere I'm particular I should be covering? or should everything just get a good coating applied?
4. Windscreen wipers are also almost useless when turned on and unforgivably slow. Should it rain they almost might as well not be there. Are there any motor upgrades or anything available?

Thanks in advance for any help :cheers:
 

uk66fastback

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Bilt Hamber do a really good range of stuff for putting into the box sections/sills etc.

Looking forward to seeing the mirrors on.
 

Rob Gaskin

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1. Heater is not working.

2. My gauge lighting is pretty awful

4. Windscreen wipers are also almost useless

The system is hard to work out BUT the heater should be getting hot of course. Are either of the hoses getting warm? Are they connected in the engine bay? Perhaps the matrix is blocked?

Instrument lighting is poor but first of all do you have a rheostat? There is a knob at the bottom of the dashboard to adjust brightness. The bulbs are a pig to change.

Wipers, yes they are slow but should be a lot better than nothing. Are the spindles that 'poke through the body' nice and 'free' to spin. Oil them. Some people have converted to Honda motors but it's not a simple job.
 

Stockdale

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So I thought I'd add a small update on the car, absolutely loving ownership so far :D The car still get stupid amounts of attention wherever it goes. I've maintained my record of speaking to someone new on every journey I've undertaken in the car to date.

I managed to sneak the car into Goodwood's Hot Hatch breakfast Sunday several weeks back and made it round to the paddock. As soon as I pulled into the paddock the car was swarmed with loads of interest. Spent a few hours just chatting to people, letting them sit in the car etc. Was awesome fun, rather amusingly saw several photos posted up in social media as well.

The car got to stretch its legs today by doing 160 miles this morning/afternoon going for a drive with some friends through MR2OC and a pub lunch. Safe to say she performed faultlessly and was great fun. Definitely need to look into suspension options though as despite wafting around in comfort, I rolled around almost every corner in a spirited fashion. Brakes were better than expected however I think could possibly benefit from some work, getting vented disks up front may well be a worthwhile investment. The other positive from the day was when filling up this evening I realised the car had managed 26.4 mpg which was very pleasing :)

After months of searching and deliberating we have finally decided on some door mirrors for the car. We've acquired some nos Chrome Hella 4004 GT mirrors from Germany. These are period racing mirrors so seemed an appropriate choice in the end, hopefully I'll arrange to get these fitted in the not too distant future when they arrive.

The immediate to do list seems to be growing though unfortunately, and I have several jobs on which any advice would be much appreciated.

1. Heater is not working. I have limited to no understanding of this system however I have manually opened the heater valve after being unsure if the control was working however this had no effect, there appears to be hot water pipes running from the rad in the car which I assume are for the heater matrix however I do not know. The middle temperature control slider also doesn't appear to be connected to anything. Are there any common issues with the heating? and where would anyone recommend looking? with winter very much arriving this is becoming a priority.
2. My gauge lighting is pretty awful, I'm sure at least one of my speedo lights has blown. What bulbs do these take? can I replace with 501 LED's to improve matters?
3. Undersealing, with winter now hitting I'm keen to protect the car as much as possible to extend its life for many years. Are there any particular products anyone would recommend? and is there anywhere I'm particular I should be covering? or should everything just get a good coating applied?
4. Windscreen wipers are also almost useless when turned on and unforgivably slow. Should it rain they almost might as well not be there. Are there any motor upgrades or anything available?

Thanks in advance for any help :cheers:

1. The heater can be an issue on many levels. The control mechanism is prone to mechanical 'snagging' and examination of the actuating parts should be the first investigation.

2. Have you turnud up the rheostat?

3. Underseal is pretty good at 'sealing in' moisture. Don't presume it to be an anti-winter precaution. Liquid oils are probably more efficient.

4. Wipers motor components respond very well to lubrication without having to recourse to replaement.

Good luck.
 

Woody928

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Bilt Hamber do a really good range of stuff for putting into the box sections/sills etc.

Looking forward to seeing the mirrors on.

Thanks man, I'll look into their products :thumbs:

Me too, its been a mission searching for a set that both me and my dad agreed on. We've gone a bit over the top and paid a lot more however we didn't want to cut corners with this project. Below is a link to a 240z on instagram with a set fitted, the owner Glenn gave me the inspiration to get a pair.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BKO2OR5gu4j/?taken-by=autootaku&hl=en

The system is hard to work out BUT the heater should be getting hot of course. Are either of the hoses getting warm? Are they connected in the engine bay? Perhaps the matrix is blocked?

Instrument lighting is poor but first of all do you have a rheostat? There is a knob at the bottom of the dashboard to adjust brightness. The bulbs are a pig to change.

Wipers, yes they are slow but should be a lot better than nothing. Are the spindles that 'poke through the body' nice and 'free' to spin. Oil them. Some people have converted to Honda motors but it's not a simple job.

Hi Rob thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions.

I'm no expert on the system however the pipes coming past the engine from the rad through the bulkhead (which I presume are for the heater) are both getting hot. I can't say I explicitly checked however I don't believe the matrix gets hot. From everything you've said its sounds as though a blocked matrix could be the issue, in which case where would I start to look?

Yes the car has a rheostat which is turned up to full brightness (thanks for checking). Just my luck is there a guide somewhere for replacing the bulbs? I'm hoping your not going to say dash off job however they could all do with being replaced with LED's. Can anyone confirm if these are 501 fitment so I can get some ordered?

Just about better than nothing by a smidge, certainly nothing to write home about though :smash: I'll look to oil them when i next get the car out and have a look online for this Honda motor conversion. Long term I'd like a reliable and functional replacement for what currently there....
 

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Well its update time again and the car after an extended period of 6 weeks in the garage is back on the road! After some useful advise on here and doing some research, reading online and in a few manuals/guides I got for Christmas we tried to reverse flush the system the system having decided that our problem was likely a blockage in the heater core. Having stripped the pipework off the matrix and hooked up the garden hose there was barely a dribble of coolant flowing out despite the pressure. With it confirmed the matrix was in need of re-coring.

Having met Russ on here at Goodwood in December and got a recommendation to give it to Guildford radiators they agreed to take a look at it, about 3.5 hours work to get the whole unit out of the car with the dashboard in place and I dropped it in before Christmas. As promised it got looked at straight away in the new year..Once the unit finally got cracked open it was apparent that the whole core was corroded in place and to extract the core they had to attach some hoops to it so that it could be hammered out of the box. With that out it was clear the unit hadn't been touched since it left the factory 46 years ago and was well overdue some attention. The original was measured up to make sure a new unit would drop straight in and the box shot blasted to be repainted due to the surface corrosion.

Having had the unit picked up for me a few weeks ago the exterior all looked great with fresh paint however having cracked it open to satisfy my curiosity I soon found that the inside had not been touched other than the new core. As is all too common these days it seems that there are plenty of people who remain satisfied with only doing half a job. Not satisfied between me and my dad we treated the surface rust and painted the inside with hammerite rust killing paint for good measure tiding it up before sealing the unit up for installation. Having previously looked at the state of the original control valve it was clear that it was well overdue retirement so a nos one had been sourced and sent from the states. All back together we were ready to tackle the job come this weekend just gone.

As always the time required was underestimated with it taking more hours than I care to mention squeezing the unit back in and remembering the order that everything went back in. First job was hoovering out as much dirt and **** possible, it was was scary how much had accumulated hidden behind the dash. Next the passenger seat came out owing to a small coolant leak which gave a good opportunity to inspect the full extent of the floor. Via some minor surface rust that was all treated the original floor looked really solid I'm pleased to say with only the newly welded in chassis/floor rail being obvious. So several hours of lying upside down in the foot well bolt and re-connecting everything up and we were good to go, fortunately having labeled up all the wiring that job was relatively straight forward with a few connectors needing to be cleaned along the way. Its fair to say it wasn't the easiest job with lots of cursing and swearing along the way. Per some advise we did consider removing the dashboard however we were concerned as to what may be disturbed in the process and decided to let any potential future gremlins lie in peace just in case.

Firing her up for the first time in six weeks was a great relief, even more so when several minutes later heat started flooding out into the car! Mission a success and having grabbed dinner an hour or so late and it was time for a quick burn out to admire our handy work. Safe to say the car is certainly toasty and it won't be cold anymore in winter, really impressed with how effective a relatively primitive system really is. Certainly some smart cookies at Nissan there. For those that are curious to re-core the matrix was £180 inc VAT (The joys of living in Surrey hey)

That all done and another journey under its belt and it was time for a quick blast down to Basingstoke to see Russ again as he's dropping out his L26 and 5 speed gearbox from his UK 260Z +2. Given long term we want to drop in a 5 speed it made sense to pick one up nice and early while the opportunity was there so it seemed a no brainer being fairly local. I was kindly offered the opportunity to drive the car to see what the box was like as syncro on 2nd is pretty much gone however we weren't too fussed as we want to fully rebuild it before it gets dropped into the 240 as we don't want to have to touch it again if we can help it. All being well it will be out in the next week or so and we'll collect it so that it can be parked in the garage until it works its way up the jobs list.

Despite the poor conditions it was entertaining to get behind the wheel of a RHD car for a change and make a mess of remembering that all of the controls are in reverse. The stand out difference though was how much more composed the car was even on its aged stock suspension. I was aware there was meant to be a difference between US and UK spec however I was amazed how much more refined it was to drive. It has certainly reinforced my view that our boat like suspension needs to be swapped asap so that I can get some refinement and control to start doing some spirited driving. It does make me wonder why they had such stark differences between the markets others then I can only guess cost (I also don't know whether the setup changed further from 240z's to 260z's either).

Despite the greasy conditions it was great fund being back in the Z and blasting down some country back roads enjoying some slippy roundabouts as well on the way home :D

So next job to tackle, the windscreen definitely needs resealing with water making its way through the drivers corner on a wet day. Does anyone have any recommendations in the Surrey/SE region who could take on this job on our behalf? and do I need to source a new seal from the US?

The Hella 4004 GT mirrors arrived the other day and look great however it looks like there will only be visibility on the drivers side so back to the drawing board again. I imagine they will be back on ebay again shortly, which is a shame as they are really nice nos items. Its looking like ironically we're going to end up with some Vitaloni Californian Mirrors as I've seen various cars fitted with these and I like the look and I believe are actually functional which is the end goal here.

I'm also considering removing the bumper overrides to go for a cleaner JDM look, does anyone know where I can acquire the blanking bolts to this end?

Finally the other near future jobs remain getting the car wax-oiled to protect it, and get the car fully serviced before getting it tuned up as it seems in need of some attention. As usual I've left a mammoth list of updates to add at once so I'll shut up for now and let you look at some pics.

Presents from Christmas


As it was following removal




The mess inside


Inside treated and painted



Shiny new control valve vs old


Outside - ready for installation



We're also missing a floor grommet, does anyone know where I can find replacements?
 

Farmer42

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Some good pics there Woody.

It's interesting to see how much difference there is between the 240 & 260Z heater boxes.

When I had to sort my heater on my 260Z I didn't have to take out the whole heater box. I just removed the control valve and hoses, and there was a plastic panel on the side of the heater box that unscrewed allowing the inner heater matrix to slide out into the footwell. Still a pig of a job but a lot easier than removing the whole heater box. The hardest bit was getting enough space to get a screwdriver in to undo the hose clip on the outlet pipe that goes through the bulkhead.

Glad you managed to get it working. Nothing worse than investing in a heater matrix repair and then it still doesn't work as in my case. As said before, I eventually found that the right angled outlet pipe had collapsed and blocked the water flow.
 

Woody928

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Some good pics there Woody.

It's interesting to see how much difference there is between the 240 & 260Z heater boxes.

When I had to sort my heater on my 260Z I didn't have to take out the whole heater box. I just removed the control valve and hoses, and there was a plastic panel on the side of the heater box that unscrewed allowing the inner heater matrix to slide out into the footwell. Still a pig of a job but a lot easier than removing the whole heater box. The hardest bit was getting enough space to get a screwdriver in to undo the hose clip on the outlet pipe that goes through the bulkhead.

Glad you managed to get it working. Nothing worse than investing in a heater matrix repair and then it still doesn't work as in my case. As said before, I eventually found that the right angled outlet pipe had collapsed and blocked the water flow.

Thanks mate, trying to document everything while we go :thumbs:

Well strictly speaking the 240z matrix doesn’t have to be removed. Assuming you can get the control valve off, coolant pipes out of the way and unscrew the side panel securing screws (for which I imagine access while in situ is pretty much impossible) then you should be able to take the side off and pull the old core out and replace in situ.

My problem was that I threaded one of the control valve securing screws heads and as it turns out even had I gained access then the core was so badly corroded in place that it had to have metal hoops attached and hammered out which would have been nearly impossible in situ. I sympathise either way though as it’s a complete pig of a job! Hopefully it won’t have to be touched again for another 40 years.

Yeah tell me about it, I did have the fear of what if we install it and nothing happens…. Thankfully that wasn’t the case and its nice and toasty now :D Oh god sounds like you had some fun chasing gremlins when you did it, good to hear you worked it out ad it was a relatively easy fix.
 

Woody928

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Well its time for another update as things have moved on again.

The car has had some more miles put on it through a few drivers in the local area and continues to put a massive grin on my face every time I get behind the wheel, as well as on the faces of almost everyone I encounter.

The windscreen has now been re-sealed courtesy of Merlin Motor Screens in Cranleigh who I am told by my dad who collected it have done a fantastic job. Howard who runs the place seems a font of knowledge and has some very interesting projects on the go. A big thanks to Fourways as well who go me a replacement seal out the same day as requested and delivered next day. Makes a world of difference when everyone is efficient :thumbs:Hopefully no more water pouring through the drivers corner every time it rains now...

I've picked up the 5 speed gearbox from Russ on here who's making space from his engine swap so that's all tucked up in the workshop eventually awaiting a rebuild before installation later down the line. I'll have to source a new diff before then though to make sure I can reap the full benefits.

Next job up is servicing in order that I can get the car over to BD engineering to get the car on the rolling road and tuned so that we can be sure everything is up to scratch. Given the unknown age I'm planning on doing oil, coolant, spark plugs, ht leads, dizzy cap, rotor arm and clean the air filters before getting it tuned. Anything I'm missing?

Speaking of the above list does anyone have recommendations for where to get all of the above and have any recommendations as to what oil I should be using? I've heard you can get long life coolant that doesn't boil or require replacing, is anyone running anything like this? Any help would be much appreciated as I'm not overly familiar with the L series engines to say the least. Many thanks in advance :cheers:

Its off to Goodwood this weekend in the meantime for the Members Meeting so already looking forward to getting behind the wheel again.
 

Rob Gaskin

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'Clean the air filters' ?

Do you have non-standard filters then?

Also do you have electronic ignition, if not buy a set of 'points'.

MrF is always a good source of parts.
 

Woody928

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'Clean the air filters' ?

Do you have non-standard filters then?

Also do you have electronic ignition, if not buy a set of 'points'.

MrF is always a good source of parts.

Per the attached engine bay pic its got aftermarket K&N air filters fitted to the carbs which look in need of some TLC. No idea what the general consensus on these are however I'm sure they'd benefit from a clean and re-oil.

Its running some form of electronic ignition and has been converted from points, as you'll see its called a Crane Fireball XR700. Something that gone done in the states.

Sounds worth a call to see what he's got in stock, I take it that's MJP? :thumbs:
 

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Rob Gaskin

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Per the attached engine bay pic its got aftermarket K&N air filters fitted to the carbs which look in need of some TLC. No idea what the general consensus on these are however I'm sure they'd benefit from a clean and re-oil.

Its running some form of electronic ignition and has been converted from points, as you'll see its called a Crane Fireball XR700. Something that gone done in the states.

Sounds worth a call to see what he's got in stock, I take it that's MJP? :thumbs:

Oh ok. I went all through this thread before I 'posted' looking for a 'carb' picture. Where was that one hiding?
 

Woody928

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Woody, borrowed your pic above to post on TimW's carb thread, hope that was okay ...

No worries dude, not a problem glad its of some assistance. Just for your reference its an L26 with early 240Z carbs if that makes any difference.

Oh ok. I went all through this thread before I 'posted' looking for a 'carb' picture. Where was that one hiding?

Haha you haven't previously missed it so not to worry. I've literally only just posted this one up albeit its been on my phone for a while.
 

toopy

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Looking at Woody's picture, i notice there is no overflow pipes fitted on the top of the float bowl lids, what do others do?
I have pipes on mine that meet in Y joint and then hang down just below the exhaust, near the bottom of the inner wing.

IIRC the factory setup has pipes feeding into the back of the standard air filter case.

and are those throttle return springs wired to the exhaust? :D
 

johnymd

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Having had floats stick in the past, you really should run those overflows somewhere. Often into the back of the filters. Just drill a whole the same size as the rubber overflow pipes and poke them in.
 
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