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Discussion in 'Anything and everything' started by Rob Gaskin, Nov 24, 2017.

  1. jonbills

    Z Club Member

    There you go then :). Just 317bhp short.
  2. racer

    racer Active Forum User

    What's the main appeal Rob? The V10 Motor or the performance estate aspect?

    I'm very tempted buy a V8 M3 at the moment (Smaller version of the V10 motor).
    The Na V8 being then main lour for me. Also low mileage versions have started to appreciate in value all ready.

    As has been said already. There are issues with Rod bearings wearing if not looked after properly. A periodic oil test is required to look for high lead/copper content as a sign of an issue. Plenty of company's offer a drive in service to change them, but budget £1500 to £2000 for the job.
  3. SeanDezart

    Z Club Member
    Official Trader

    Yep...but :

    a) mine's not purporting to be THE family car

    b) it cost me £700

    The beemer is a ludicrously expensive car to keep on the road and to rehike your quoting the Z as a tickler - it's hardly the same thing :

    a) it is what it is - a sports-car
    b) value will increase
    c) running costs are minimal

    The Z3M is (aside from ugly) an infinitely better buy.

    This beemer is just another way of BMW enticing money from people who have too much, who spend Saturday mornings down at their local dealer making sure they have better than the Jones'.

    It's a car trying to be many things at once - the recent trend, only more powerful than others so top of the rickety ladder.

    The Paul Walkers of this world drive 'em like they can be ON THE ROADS and incite Govts to crack-down on interesting cars.

    GOM mode 'off'.:p
  4. racer

    racer Active Forum User

  5. Rob Gaskin

    Rob Gaskin Membership Secretary Staff Member Committee Member

    Yep, I know it's mad and so I won't be bidding.

    Tbh I love my old boxy X trail. No hassle and go anywhere don't worry about it.

    However the excess is just tempting to dream about! Bit like barmaids!
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  6. IbanezDan51

    Z Club Member

    The gearboxes in these are absolute pants.
    Good engine though.

    Your RS4 B5 idea was better.

  7. johnymd

    Z Club Member

    I was seriously tempted by an rs6 and then started looking at v10 Audi estates. I just love estate cars. I finally realised I just couldn't afford to run any of these cars. I don't have a modern car so I tend to use the blue 240 for long journeys. The red 280 will take its place and be the newest car I own. I do have a van but there's no fun in driving that.
  8. 240Z Man

    240Z Man Forum User

    Bit of an insight in to this one, to compare the V10 to the V8 is like chalk and cheese. I owned a V8 for many years, but I have driven a few V10 ones and they are totally a different kettle of fish. The V10 is a very under-rated car. A lot of people do not realise the engine was build and designed by Williams the Formula One team. This corresponds when BMW and Williams were in Formula One together.

    The engines are actually stamped with Williams' name.

    They are pretty reliable, the only thing that normally goes at around 40,000 miles is the valve activators which normally cost about £2,000 to replace, but now VW are actually offering repair kits for £150, which are quite easy to fit.

    One of the other faults on them was rod bearings but this was normally caused by people reving cold engines. You can get a kit for about £800 I believe.

    If you are looking to buy one make sure it has had the factory recalls, SMG pump, factory cable, valve feed, which only really applied to early cars.

    It was quite a very technical engine in its day, as the last ones became camless as it was operated by electronics.

    Due to costs, I would be surprised if any manufacturers will ever go down this route again, and this car is well underpriced and has to be a future classic.

    Don't ask me how I know, because there are going to be some wise people telling me I am wrong, but I know as my son is a BMW technician and works on these on a regular basis.
  9. SeanDezart

    Z Club Member
    Official Trader

    I agree with you there, like the Audi RS estates with 'Porsche breath'...even Williams' Clios.

    More of a statement from the marque than a money-maker, allc redit to BMW but like a Nissan Stagea, you'd rather have the 2dr version to rag around in.
  10. Rob Gaskin

    Rob Gaskin Membership Secretary Staff Member Committee Member

    Fantastic insight! What is more of an investment a Datsun Z or one of these? I know which one is less risk.

    So guys I mentioned my confusion about the service record. Images are included in the advert pictures.

    Ok plenty of stamps but most of the 'record' is what has not been done rather than what has been done. Have a look if you have time please.

    Am I missing something?
  11. jonbills

    Z Club Member

    I’d assume the things that are marked as ‘not done’ weren’t required on that interval. Surely no one is so dumb as to highlight the stuff the should have done but didn’t!
  12. Rob Gaskin

    Rob Gaskin Membership Secretary Staff Member Committee Member

    Ok so in 10 years and 80k miles the front brakes and rear brakes have only been 'serviced' once (and 1k miles apart). Pads or discs or both. On my 370 I used to have to dismantle the calipers i.e. remove the pins and pads and free things up and lubricate with Copperslip

    I can only assume that this is a list of parts used not inspection/servicing/lubrication etc.

    There is something named 'Vehicle Check' and that was done once at 75k miles. What can that be body for rot or electronic diagnostics or ?

    Antifreeze changed?

    Air-filter one mention

    Something called a 'micro-filter' gets a lot of attention I assume that's cabin or could it be fuel?

    These service records that people put so much faith in don't really tell you much. I like to see the 'tick-list' that the engineer completed.

    This guys experience bears no relation to the car in question:
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  13. Rob Gaskin

    Rob Gaskin Membership Secretary Staff Member Committee Member

    Guys do these semi-auto cars use a clutch and flywheel?

    On this car and the previous one I saw at auction they have a reference to the Clutch and Flywheel work or inspection - I assume it was a recall.

    Edit: done a bit of research - SMG.
  14. 240Z Man

    240Z Man Forum User

    I have just asked my son, and they do have a fly wheel, and with twin clutch plates. Apparently it is a manual box but it has features of an automatic.

    If you want anymore information, I will send you my son's phone number as he is an enthusiast of them and he would certainly buy one of his own if he could get insured, so at the moment the only way he drives them is through the garage.
  15. SeanDezart

    Z Club Member
    Official Trader

    Best way I reckon - looney car with a F1 engine inside.

    Like a McLaren F1 but take your grannie to the shops and seaside.
  16. johnymd

    Z Club Member

    I don't think it is the actual engine they used in the F1 car Sean.
  17. SeanDezart

    Z Club Member
    Official Trader

    Pretty sure you're right John but a V10 configuration belies F1 tendencies....come to think of it, a lot of the Le Mans engines are V10s too.
  18. franky

    Z Club Member

    I think it’s a safe place to put your money.

    It’s a little more interesting than the Audi versions.

    I’ve always had a thing for the Passat r36 estates. Very very rare though.

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